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From: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
	Arend van Spriel <arend@broadcom.com>
Cc: Chris Ball <chris@printf.net>,
	linux-mmc <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>, Philip Rakity <prakity@nvidia.com>,
	Girish K S <girish.shivananjappa@linaro.org>,
	Al Cooper <alcooperx@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/13] mmc: host: Add facility to support re-tuning
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:57:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54B63D94.2050602@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFqwQ+GPLv9T3fW3Y74hKhagKSOiXydvL9WoK8y3k0O6hQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/01/15 11:47, Ulf Hansson wrote:
> On 13 January 2015 at 17:02, Arend van Spriel <arend@broadcom.com> wrote:
>> On 01/13/15 16:41, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>>>
>>> On 13 January 2015 at 16:11, Arend van Spriel<arend@broadcom.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 01/13/15 15:56, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for looking at the patches.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not sure I know what you mean. sdhci already has a re-tuning
>>>>>>>> timer, so
>>>>>>>> this is just moving it into core, where it won't be used by other
>>>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>>>> unless they enable it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am kind of questioning the re-tuning timer in sdhci. What is it good
>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is part of the SD Host Controller Standard Specification. The timer
>>>>>> ensures that re-tuning is done before temperature changes could affect
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> "sampling point". It is needed for re-tuning mode 1 for UHS-I modes
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> SDR104.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the spec say what value the timer should have?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is read from the Capabilities register in the SD host controller, ie.
>>>> in
>>>> field "Timer Count for Re-Tuning" (see below).
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Arend
>>>>
>>>> Timer Count for Re-Tuning
>>>> This field indicates an initial value of the Re-Tuning Timer for
>>>> Re-Tuning
>>>> Mode 1 to 3. Setting to 0 disables Re-Tuning Timer.
>>>> 0h      Re-Tuning Timer disabled
>>>> 1h      1 seconds
>>>> 2h      2 seconds
>>>> 3h      4 seconds
>>>> 4h      8 seconds
>>>> .....   ......................
>>>> n       2(n-1) seconds
>>>> .....   ......................
>>>> Bh      1024 seconds
>>>> Eh - Ch Reserved
>>>> Fh      Get information from other source
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing this information, but unfortunate I don't
>>> understand much from it.
>>>
>>> Is the host driver intended to read/poll this register to find a good
>>> value?
>>
>>
>> You can download the spec (and others) here [1]. sdhci currently implements
>> retuning mode 1, which is decribed in the spec:
>>
>> Re-Tuning Timer Control Example for Re-Tuning Mode 1
>> The initial value of re-tuning timer is provided by Timer Count for
>> Re-Tuning field in this register. The timer starts counting by loading the
>> initial value. When the timer expires, the Host Driver marks an expiration
>> flag. On receiving a command request, the Host driver checks the expiration
>> flag. If the expiration flag is set, then the Host Driver should perform the
>> re-tuning procedure before issuing a command. If the expiration flag is not
>> set, then the Host Driver issues a command without performing the re-tuning
>> procedure. Every time the re-tuning procedure is performed, the timer loads
>> the new initial value and the expiration flag is cleared.
>>
>> So the host controller could indeed update this register for subsequent
>> retuning.
> 
> Arend, thanks for the link and information. So, I decided to go for a
> look in there.
> 
>>From the same section you quoted above:
> ------
> (1) Re-Tuning Mode 1
> The host controller does not have any internal logic to detect when
> the re-tuning needs to be performed. In this case, the Host Driver
> should maintain all re-tuning timings by using a Re-Tuning Timer. To
> enable inserting the re-tuning procedure during data transfers, the
> data length per read/write command shall be limited up to 4MB.
> ------
> 
> That means, we can't get _any_ help from the controller HW (in mode 1)
> to find a good value for the timer.

In fact the timer value *is* defined in the Capabilities Register (Offset
040h) bits 43-40 Timer Count for Re-Tuning

It has been supported since 2011, see:

	commit cf2b5eea1ea0ff9b3184bc6771bcb93a9fdcd1d9
	"mmc: sdhci: add support for retuning mode 1"


  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-14  9:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-05 17:40 [RFC PATCH 00/13] mmc: host: Add facility to support re-tuning Adrian Hunter
2014-12-05 17:40 ` [PATCH 01/13] mmc: core: Simplify by adding mmc_execute_tuning() Adrian Hunter
2015-01-13 11:19   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 02/13] mmc: host: Add facility to support re-tuning Adrian Hunter
2015-01-13 11:25   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-13 13:23     ` Adrian Hunter
2015-01-13 14:22       ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-13 14:36         ` Adrian Hunter
2015-01-13 14:56           ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-13 15:11             ` Arend van Spriel
2015-01-13 15:41               ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-13 16:02                 ` Arend van Spriel
2015-01-14  9:47                   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-14  9:57                     ` Adrian Hunter [this message]
2015-01-14 10:13                       ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-14 12:24                         ` Adrian Hunter
2015-01-14 12:59                           ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-15 10:17                             ` Adrian Hunter
2015-01-15 13:39                               ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-15 14:07                                 ` Arend van Spriel
2015-01-15 14:17                                   ` Arend van Spriel
2015-01-15 14:46                                     ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-15 14:59                                       ` Arend van Spriel
2015-01-19  9:27                                         ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-19  9:56                                           ` Adrian Hunter
2015-01-14 12:38                         ` Arend van Spriel
2015-01-14 12:52                           ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-13 15:04         ` Arend van Spriel
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 03/13] mmc: core: Disable re-tuning when card is no longer initialized Adrian Hunter
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 04/13] mmc: core: Move mmc_card_removed() into mmc_start_request() Adrian Hunter
2015-01-13 11:20   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 05/13] mmc: core: Add support for re-tuning before each request Adrian Hunter
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 06/13] mmc: core: Check re-tuning before retrying Adrian Hunter
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 07/13] mmc: core: Hold re-tuning during switch commands Adrian Hunter
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 08/13] mmc: core: Hold re-tuning during erase commands Adrian Hunter
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 09/13] mmc: core: Hold re-tuning while bkops ongoing Adrian Hunter
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 10/13] mmc: mmc: Comment that callers need to hold re-tuning if the card is put to sleep Adrian Hunter
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 11/13] mmc: core: Add support for HS400 re-tuning Adrian Hunter
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 12/13] mmc: sdhci: Always init buf_ready_int Adrian Hunter
2015-01-13 11:21   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-12-05 17:41 ` [PATCH 13/13] mmc: sdhci: Change to new way of doing re-tuning Adrian Hunter
2014-12-19 14:07 ` [RFC PATCH 00/13] mmc: host: Add facility to support re-tuning Adrian Hunter
2014-12-19 14:37   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-12 13:05   ` Adrian Hunter
2015-01-13 11:27 ` Ulf Hansson

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