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From: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Chris Ball <chris@printf.net>,
	linux-mmc <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>, Philip Rakity <prakity@nvidia.com>,
	Girish K S <girish.shivananjappa@linaro.org>,
	Al Cooper <alcooperx@gmail.com>,
	Arend van Spriel <arend@broadcom.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 11/15] mmc: sdhci: Change to new way of doing re-tuning
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 23:11:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5510817D.2080807@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFqJ3ahAPXec6LRmMtzucS3N=b5wOYGQcd0ELHZByeudJA@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/03/2015 5:02 p.m., Ulf Hansson wrote:
> [...]
>
>>
>> I have no locking issues, so I am not sure what you mean here.
>
> Okay, I should have stated race conditions.

Which I resolved using runtime get / put calls.

Returning -EBUSY from runtime suspend, on the other hand, seems
less than ideal.

First, reading the hold count from runtime suspend is a new race.

Secondly, returning -EBUSY leaves the host controller active until the
host controller driver is accessed again, which breaks runtime pm.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think we need an generic approach to deal with the runtime PM
>>>>> synchronization issue described above. More precisely in those
>>>>> scenarios when mmc hosts needs to notify the mmc core to take some
>>>>> specific actions, from a mmc host's runtime PM callback.
>>>>
>>>> For the re-tune case I did not want to assume what the host driver
>>>> needed to do, so I added ->hold_tuning() and ->release_tuning()
>>>> host operations.
>>>
>>> I have thought a bit more on how I would like this to be implemented.
>>> It's a bit closer to what Neil's suggests in his approach [1].
>>
>> I am not sure it is valuable to mix up the two issues.
>>
>> For Neil's problem I would do something quiet different:
>>
>> 1. The host driver already knows the bus width so can easily "get/put"
>> runtime pm to prevent suspend when the bus width does not permit it.
>
> To me the problem is the other way around.
>
> The host driver don't want prevent runtime PM suspend. Instead it want
> to notify the core that it's ready to be runtime PM suspended.
>
> Due to restrictions by the SDIO spec, the mmc core first need to
> switch to 1-bit data, before the host can do clock gating in runtime
> PM suspend.

That makes two things dependent instead of decoupling them.

>
>>
>> 2. The need to do things when the card is idle comes up a lot (e.g. bkops,
>> sleep notification, cache flush etc etc). In Neil's case he wants to switch
>> to 1-bit mode, but that just seems another of these "idle" operations. So I
>> would investigate the requirements of supporting idle operations in general.
>
> That won't work for the SDIO case, since runtime PM is being deployed
> differently for SDIO than for MMC/SD.
>
> In the SDIO case it's the SDIO func drivers that handles the get/put.
> For the MMC/SD case it's handled by the block device layer.

It doesn't need to have anything to do with runtime pm. It just needs
to be a way the block or SDIO function drivers can inform the core
that other stuff can be done.


  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-23 21:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-29  9:00 [PATCH V2 00/15] mmc: host: Add facility to support re-tuning Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 01/15] " Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 02/15] mmc: core: Disable re-tuning when card is no longer initialized Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 03/15] mmc: core: Add support for re-tuning before each request Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 04/15] mmc: core: Check re-tuning before retrying Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 05/15] mmc: core: Hold re-tuning during switch commands Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 06/15] mmc: core: Hold re-tuning during erase commands Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 07/15] mmc: core: Hold re-tuning while bkops ongoing Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 08/15] mmc: mmc: Comment that callers need to hold re-tuning if the card is put to sleep Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 09/15] mmc: core: Separate out the mmc_switch status check so it can be re-used Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 10/15] mmc: core: Add support for HS400 re-tuning Adrian Hunter
2015-02-04 13:35   ` [PATCH V3 " Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 11/15] mmc: sdhci: Change to new way of doing re-tuning Adrian Hunter
2015-03-06 12:51   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-03-09  8:37     ` Adrian Hunter
2015-03-10 13:55       ` Ulf Hansson
2015-03-10 14:20         ` Adrian Hunter
2015-03-23 12:54           ` Ulf Hansson
2015-03-23 14:26             ` Adrian Hunter
2015-03-23 15:02               ` Ulf Hansson
2015-03-23 21:11                 ` Adrian Hunter [this message]
2015-03-24 21:12                   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-03-25 13:48                     ` Adrian Hunter
2015-03-26 16:06                       ` Ulf Hansson
2015-03-27  9:54                         ` Adrian Hunter
2015-03-27 12:04                           ` Adrian Hunter
2015-03-24  2:49               ` NeilBrown
2015-03-24  9:40                 ` Ulf Hansson
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 12/15] mmc: sdhci: Flag re-tuning is needed on CRC or End-Bit errors Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 13/15] mmc: block: Check re-tuning in the recovery path Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 14/15] mmc: block: Retry data requests when re-tuning is needed Adrian Hunter
2015-02-27 12:55   ` [PATCH V3 14/15] mmc: block: Retry errored " Adrian Hunter
2015-01-29  9:00 ` [PATCH V2 15/15] mmc: core: Don't print reset warning if reset is not supported Adrian Hunter
2015-02-09  9:33   ` Arend van Spriel
2015-02-09  9:47     ` Adrian Hunter
2015-02-09 16:05       ` Johan Rudholm
2015-02-09  8:43 ` [PATCH V2 00/15] mmc: host: Add facility to support re-tuning Adrian Hunter

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