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From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@ti.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MMC list <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@gmx.de>,
	Chris Ball <cjb@laptop.org>,
	Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@stericsson.com>,
	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] PM / QoS: Make it possible to expose PM QoS latency constraints
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 09:49:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87aa3rdluj.fsf@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201203080028.12547.rjw@sisk.pl> (Rafael J. Wysocki's message of "Thu, 8 Mar 2012 00:28:12 +0100")

"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl> writes:

> From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl>
>
> A runtime suspend of a device (e.g. an MMC controller) belonging to
> a power domain or, in a more complicated scenario, a runtime suspend
> of another device in the same power domain, may cause power to be
> removed from the entire domain.  In that case, the amount of time
> necessary to runtime-resume the given device (e.g. the MMC
> controller) is often substantially greater than the time needed to
> run its driver's runtime resume callback.  That may hurt performance
> in some situations, because user data may need to wait for the
> device to become operational, so we should make it possible to
> prevent that from happening.
>
> For this reason, introduce a new sysfs attribute for devices,
> power/pm_qos_latency_us, allowing user space to specify the upper

If we're expecting to have more of these knobs, maybe having a pm_qos
subdir under power will keep down the clutter in /sys/devices/.../power.
This knob would then be /sys/devices/.../power/pm_qos/pm_qos_latency_us.

I think 'latency' alone is a bit too vague (wakeup latency?  interrupt
latency?  I think wakeup latency is clearer.  Another possibility is
resume latency, IMO, that will lead to confusion about whether this
field also affects system suspend/resume.

That brings up another point: I think the docs should be very clear
about how this affects system suspend/resume.  From my understanding, it
is only intended to affect runtime suspend/resume but I think the
docs/comments need to be very clear about this since as you know the
overlap between system PM and runtime PM has been a source of
confusion.

> bound of the time necessary to bring the (runtime-suspended) device
> up after the resume of it has been requested.  However, make that
> attribute appear ony for the devices whose drivers declare support

s/ony/only/

> for by calling the (new) dev_pm_qos_expose_latency_limit() helper
> function with the appropriate initial value of the attribute.

Yes.  I really like the ability to hide/expose this feature, and that
the default is that it's hidden.

That feature addresses my primary concern about exposing too much to
userspace for certain subsystems.

> Signed-off-by: Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@sisk.pl>

Since I've objected to this kind of feature in the past, I'll just say
for the record that I'm fine with selectively exposing this particular
knob.

Reviewed-by: Kevin Hilman <khilman@ti.com>

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-08 17:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-04  0:01 [PATCH 0/3] MMC / PM: Make it possible to use PM QoS latency constraints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04  0:02 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04 10:59   ` Linus Walleij
2012-03-04 19:47     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04  0:04 ` [PATCH 2/3] tmio_mmc / PM: Use PM QoS requests Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04  0:04 ` [PATCH 3/3] sh_mmcif " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04 19:53 ` [PATCH 0/3] MMC / PM: Make it possible to use PM QoS latency constraints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04 19:55   ` [PATCH 1/3] MMC / PM: Make it possible to use PM QoS latency constraints, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-05  7:02     ` Linus Walleij
2012-03-06  9:34     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-06 21:06       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04 19:56   ` [PATCH 2/3] tmio_mmc / PM: Use PM QoS requests, v2 Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06  9:40     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-06 21:07       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06 22:33         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-06 23:41           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-04 19:56   ` [PATCH 3/3] sh_mmcif " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06  9:40     ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-06 21:09       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07 23:27   ` [PATCH 0/3] PM: Make it possible to expose PM QoS latency constraints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07 23:28     ` [PATCH 1/3] PM / QoS: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 17:49       ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2012-03-08 18:01         ` Mark Brown
2012-03-08 21:28           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 21:23         ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-08 21:27         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 22:05           ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-08 22:37             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 23:18               ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-08 23:30                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-09  1:02                   ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-09 15:17                     ` Alan Stern
2012-03-09 17:10                       ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-09 20:59                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-09 21:34                           ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-07 23:29     ` [PATCH 2/3] tmio_mmc / PM: Use PM QoS latency constraint Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08  8:02       ` Adrian Hunter
2012-03-08 21:29         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07 23:30     ` [PATCH 3/3] sh_mmcif " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 11:03       ` Mark Brown
2012-03-08 21:29         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 23:00     ` [Update][PATCH 0/3] PM: Make it possible to expose PM QoS latency constraints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 23:01       ` [Update][PATCH 1/3] PM / QoS: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-12 19:32         ` Linus Walleij
2012-03-13  0:02           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 23:03       ` [Update][PATCH 2/3] tmio_mmc / PM: Use PM QoS latency constraint Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-08 23:03       ` [Update][PATCH 3/3] sh_mmcif " Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-10 21:14       ` [Update][PATCH 0/3] PM: Make it possible to expose PM QoS latency constraints Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06 10:30 ` [PATCH 0/3] MMC / PM: Make it possible to use " Adrian Hunter
2012-03-06 13:39   ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2012-03-06 21:14     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07  8:31       ` Adrian Hunter
2012-03-07  9:05         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07 19:38           ` Mark Brown
2012-03-07 20:38           ` Kevin Hilman
2012-03-07 20:51             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07 20:54               ` Mark Brown
2012-03-07 21:31                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-06 21:47   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-03-07  7:06     ` Adrian Hunter
2012-03-07  9:05       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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