From: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
To: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
Cc: linux-mmc <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
Tomas Winkler <tomas.winkler@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 3/3] mmc: block: Fix tuning (by avoiding it) for RPMB
Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 10:24:05 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPDyKFrw1N+vScGiScp3_uxHiA6XD2gDSY3cdRuWV59wtDHXOQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <572209CB.6080606@intel.com>
On 28 April 2016 at 15:02, Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com> wrote:
> On 28/04/16 14:46, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>> On 28 April 2016 at 13:02, Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com> wrote:
>>> On 28/04/16 13:34, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>>>> On 21 April 2016 at 15:28, Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>> The RPMB partition only allows certain commands. In particular,
>>>>> the tuning command (CMD21) is not allowed - refer JEDEC eMMC
>>>>> standard v5.1 section 6.2.2 Command restrictions.
>>>>>
>>>>> To avoid tuning for RPMB, switch to High Speed mode from HS200
>>>>> or HS400 mode if re-tuning has been enabled. And switch back
>>>>> when leaving RPMB.
>>>>
>>>> I would rather just disable re-tuning during this period, instead of
>>>> changing the speed mode.
>>>> The primary reason to why, is because the latency it would introduce
>>>> to first switch to HS speed then back to HS200/400.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect RPMB accesses to be frequent enough for the latency to matter.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My concern is not the throughput as I expect read/writes request to an
>>>> RPMB partition is rather small.
>>>>
>>>> Of course I realize that we need to take care when disable re-tuning.
>>>> Perhaps we can solve that by a re-try mechanism if the RPMB request
>>>> fails, and thus perform the re-tuning as part of the re-try?
>>>
>>> The interdependent nature of RPMB commands suggests that re-trying is not
>>> possible. It seems to me that you would have to make up a new set of
>>> commands and start again. i.e. return an error to the user so that they can
>>> start again.
>>
>> Ok.
>>
>> So perhaps returning -EAGAIN could work!?
>
> I don't think existing code would expect that. Doesn't seem like level of
> service I would expect from the kernel.
>
> And the concern is, that being an error path, it gets overlooked.
I guess you are right.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Another dependency is that we always need to re-tune after host runtime
>>> suspend, which is why we always hit this problem when RPMB is accessed. So
>>
>> Just to make sure I understand correctly; I would imagine you hit the
>> problem *only* when the RPMB partition was already selected, right?
>
> Yes
>
>>
>> Because that would then skip the switch command, and you will
>> therefore try to re-tune after the partition has already been switched
>> to?
>
> Yes
>
>>
>>> to avoid errors you would either need to disable runtime PM when the RPMB
>>> partition is selected (which might be a long time if we don't get an access
>>> to another partition), or always switch back to the main partition (not sure
>>> if that would mess up the RPMB command sequence though).
>>
>> I wouldn't mind that we switch back to the main partition when we have
>> served an RPMB IOCTL request. Of course not in between every mmc
>> request, in case of using the MULTI IOCTL.
>>
>> That would prevent the next regular mmc request on the main partition
>> to not have to switch partition and thus get decreased latency.
>
> Doesn't stop us getting CRC errors because the eMMC needs tuning while in
> the RPMB partition though.
That's true. My idea was that we should return -EAGAIN as error code
to user space for these scenarios, but I guess it's not a good idea.
I have given your suggested approach some more thinking. Besides the
latency impact, don't you think it's rather risky to switch speed
modes back an forth?
We don't know whether cards+controllers are really able to cope with
that, even if they should?
Perhaps we could instead force a re-tune to be done before switching
to the RPMB partition and thus also before each RPMB request? That
decreases/removes the probability of getting a CRC errors because of a
needed re-tune, right?
Kind regards
Uffe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-05-02 8:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-21 13:28 [PATCH RFC 0/3] mmc: block: Fix tuning (by avoiding it) for RPMB Adrian Hunter
2016-04-21 13:28 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] mmc: mmc: Factor out mmc_hs200_to_hs() Adrian Hunter
2016-04-21 13:28 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] mmc: mmc: Factor out mmc_hs400_to_hs() and __mmc_hs_to_hs200() Adrian Hunter
2016-04-21 13:28 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] mmc: block: Fix tuning (by avoiding it) for RPMB Adrian Hunter
2016-04-28 10:34 ` Ulf Hansson
2016-04-28 11:02 ` Adrian Hunter
2016-04-28 11:46 ` Ulf Hansson
2016-04-28 13:02 ` Adrian Hunter
2016-05-02 8:24 ` Ulf Hansson [this message]
2016-05-02 9:31 ` Adrian Hunter
2016-05-02 11:14 ` Ulf Hansson
2016-04-28 7:21 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] " Adrian Hunter
2016-05-02 21:19 ` Winkler, Tomas
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