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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Petr Pavlu <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
	Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@kernel.org>,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	"Jason A . Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>,
	Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>,
	Ignat Korchagin <ignat@cloudflare.com>,
	keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-modules@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] lib/crypto: Add ML-DSA verification support
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2025 20:29:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251125042927.GB1608@sol> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251121171421.GA1737@sol>

On Fri, Nov 21, 2025 at 09:14:21AM -0800, Eric Biggers wrote:
> However, unfortunately neither source explains it properly, and they
> actually provide incorrect information.  The comment in the reference
> code says the the input can be in "-2^{31}Q <= a <= Q*2^31", which isn't
> quite correct; the upper bound is actually exclusive.  In my code, I
> correctly document the upper bound as being exclusive.

I opened https://github.com/pq-crystals/dilithium/issues/108 against the
reference implementation.  So hopefully that comment will get fixed.

> FIPS 204 documents the same incorrect interval, but then sort of gets
> around it by only claiming that the output is less than 2q in absolute
> value (rather than q) and also by not clarifying whether sign extension
> is done.  They may have thought that sign extension shouldn't be done,
> as you seem to have thought.  Either way, their explanation is
> misleading.  The very-nearly-symmetric version that produces an output
> less than q in absolute value is the logical version when working with
> signed values, and it seems to be what the Dilithium authors intended.

I'm collecting the mistakes that I've found in FIPS 204 into a list,
which I'll send in to NIST as an errata request at some point...

- Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-25  4:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-20  0:36 [PATCH 0/4] lib/crypto: ML-DSA verification support Eric Biggers
2025-11-20  0:36 ` [PATCH 1/4] lib/crypto: Add " Eric Biggers
2025-11-29 20:00   ` Becker, Hanno
2025-11-30  0:19     ` Eric Biggers
2025-11-30  1:05       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2025-11-30  7:15         ` Becker, Hanno
2025-11-30 19:06           ` Eric Biggers
2025-11-20  0:36 ` [PATCH 2/4] lib/crypto: tests: Add KUnit tests for ML-DSA Eric Biggers
2025-11-20  2:29   ` Elliott, Robert (Servers)
2025-11-20  0:36 ` [PATCH 3/4] lib/crypto: tests: Add ML-DSA-65 test cases Eric Biggers
2025-11-20  0:36 ` [PATCH 4/4] lib/crypto: tests: Add ML-DSA-87 " Eric Biggers
2025-11-20  8:11 ` [PATCH 0/4] lib/crypto: ML-DSA verification support David Howells
2025-11-21  6:16   ` Eric Biggers
2025-11-20  8:14 ` [PATCH 1/4] lib/crypto: Add " David Howells
2025-11-21  2:15   ` Eric Biggers
2025-11-20  9:10 ` David Howells
2025-11-21  0:09   ` Eric Biggers
2025-11-20 13:55 ` David Howells
2025-11-21  0:50   ` Eric Biggers
2025-11-21 12:41   ` David Howells
2025-11-21 17:14     ` Eric Biggers
2025-11-25  4:29       ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2025-11-21 17:41     ` David Howells
2025-11-21 21:39   ` David Howells
2025-11-21 22:23     ` Eric Biggers
2025-11-21 22:29       ` Lukas Wunner
2025-11-21 22:48         ` Eric Biggers

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