From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail.tuxedocomputers.com (mail.tuxedocomputers.com [157.90.84.7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D2631885BF; Fri, 15 Nov 2024 10:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=157.90.84.7 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1731668395; cv=none; b=Ky/xiLuS4r+Z7oOCWKYFUIBetams8Nizh0VjHNI/lWLcnq3tvE3gg/IavC2tWcJVwI0W0cz5lR7dTxlrPU5cA536UPG+KZ5XFgrpU74O+MO15LAOEgELeTUgTjEHiaoY6jv3bBGXaTygwFCTjVFC3S9cKT9zdk3P+oR9o6iZVsY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1731668395; c=relaxed/simple; bh=KPPxSUlglSB1qHziPJ8WC9R7TbOyfCrf4T3tNsWVcHE=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=auQmZxA5L5wFkkylqkLMdUF/xSD6x0N1ODIcf2ZypSB2y1YHvTJmBf9hXHvMsifgXJkWrweJ1X5UBsejnXLL/TKPd8R8IkYqJ96rg8Ho2XO++W+QwZa81wnsgfSSg/TmT+592K61JOzey15XQo4+RgJdK+blopoEGN6BI0Kcro8= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=tuxedocomputers.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=tuxedocomputers.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=tuxedocomputers.com header.i=@tuxedocomputers.com header.b=K7yEh3pX; arc=none smtp.client-ip=157.90.84.7 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=tuxedocomputers.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=tuxedocomputers.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=tuxedocomputers.com header.i=@tuxedocomputers.com header.b="K7yEh3pX" Received: from [192.168.42.96] (p5de457db.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.228.87.219]) (Authenticated sender: wse@tuxedocomputers.com) by mail.tuxedocomputers.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 25EBF2FC0057; Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:59:48 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxedocomputers.com; s=default; t=1731668388; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=MbaHCdErIiwuDwefIUo/nmxCO9zrzvR9WvqIorv/FfI=; b=K7yEh3pXs/RNYbj3dG5RS0Hybw7C4ttrWfe4BY/AO/8tKkSDqXQ16XTLOCFrAUNZxtC6dt lhsQLzGfj1NG2u3aaAvgi8/3/Bx6rLh99ReJb0xh8z+7tOqXHDd6j+nQEWJoZ1TgflWJzX 3DWD3ldw3k4Gy+1QqI/SeS3ncmGIE6A= Authentication-Results: mail.tuxedocomputers.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=wse@tuxedocomputers.com smtp.mailfrom=wse@tuxedocomputers.com Message-ID: <459e15ff-4f1f-4d7c-b49d-ccae540eaa4f@tuxedocomputers.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:59:47 +0100 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-modules@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] module: Block modules by Tuxedo from accessing GPL symbols To: Greg KH Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Uwe_Kleine-K=C3=B6nig?= , Luis Chamberlain , tux@tuxedocomputers.com, Petr Pavlu , Sami Tolvanen , Daniel Gomez , linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Thorsten Leemhuis , Vinzenz Vietzke , Christoffer Sandberg References: <20241114103133.547032-4-ukleinek@kernel.org> <2024111557-unlighted-giggle-0d86@gregkh> <6c1952bc-f58d-4c55-887e-6aa247daec5c@tuxedocomputers.com> <58b85a78-55aa-422c-a21d-254eb16cc8c6@tuxedocomputers.com> <2024111522-brush-excusably-cae5@gregkh> <3ea99d52-cafb-4c79-a78b-fdd1f9a9fcd5@tuxedocomputers.com> <2024111558-albatross-vice-2a73@gregkh> Content-Language: en-US From: Werner Sembach In-Reply-To: <2024111558-albatross-vice-2a73@gregkh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 15.11.24 um 11:22 schrieb Greg KH: > On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 10:40:56AM +0100, Werner Sembach wrote: >> Am 15.11.24 um 10:18 schrieb Greg KH: >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 10:00:23AM +0100, Werner Sembach wrote: >>>> I guess what I try to convince you and others is that we _are_ taking Open >>>> Source licenses seriously, but still there are mistakes to be made, >>>> especially with complex projects like the Linux kernel, e.g. I'm not aware >>>> of any other project that uses a similar construct to >>>> EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL()/MODULE_LICENSE(). >>> The Linux kernel is very simple from a license point of view, your code >>> has to be GPLv2 compatible. That's it, nothing complex or odd about >>> that at all. >> Then why does the proprietary NVIDIA driver exist? > You will have to discuss that with that company's lawyers. That was > their business decision to make, and in my opinion, the contracts they > wrote around that thing were a mastery of license law in "how to pass > the liability onto someone else." But you see where there is complexity, and where my misconception stems from? > > Luckily we now have open drivers for almost all of that hardware, so > it's not so much of an issue anymore. > > Again, talk about this with your company lawyers, they can explain it > all much better than I can. > > thanks, > > greg k-h