From: "Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)" <chleroy@kernel.org>
To: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 7/7] kernel.h: drop trace_printk.h
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 19:21:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <63a00906-a5c6-43de-82ce-328c8eaa7d3f@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d642ef4c-145c-4b16-818d-153c8f2e3485@nvidia.com>
Le 05/01/2026 à 18:11, Joel Fernandes a écrit :
>
>
> On 1/5/2026 11:39 AM, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:20:55 +0200
>> Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not think it is necessary to move it.
>>>
>>> I'm not talking about move, I'm talking about the C 101 thingy. Any custom API
>>> should be included before use, otherwise compiler won't see it. Which header do
>>> you want to include to have this API being provided? Note, it's really bad
>>> situation right now with the header to be included implicitly via non-obvious
>>> or obscure path. The discussion moved as far as I see it towards the finding a
>>> good place for the trace_printk.h.
>>
>> It's not a normal API. It's for debugging the kernel. Thus it should be
>> available everywhere without having to add a header. Hence, the best place
>> to include trace_printk.h, is in kernel.h.
>>
>> I'm thinking that my proposed config option is the best solution now. For
>> those that do not care about debugging the kernel, you enable the
>> "HIDE_TRACE_PRINTK" config so that your builds will be "quicker". But for
>> everyone else, it will not slow down their workflow when they need to debug
>> code.
>
> 100% agree. We do have people running custom configs for faster builds, so this
> hide thing could be enabled there assuming those don't care about debug.
>
> In other words, "If it aint broke, don't fix it".
But if I understand correctly, it would save 2% build time. That means
12 secondes on a 10 minutes build. Is it really worth it ?
Christophe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-05 18:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-25 17:09 [PATCH v4 0/7] Unload linux/kernel.h Yury Norov (NVIDIA)
2025-12-25 17:09 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] kernel.h: drop STACK_MAGIC macro Yury Norov (NVIDIA)
2025-12-25 17:09 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] moduleparam: include required headers explicitly Yury Norov (NVIDIA)
2025-12-25 17:09 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] kernel.h: move VERIFY_OCTAL_PERMISSIONS() to sysfs.h Yury Norov (NVIDIA)
2025-12-25 17:09 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] kernel.h: include linux/instruction_pointer.h explicitly Yury Norov (NVIDIA)
2025-12-25 17:09 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] tracing: Remove size parameter in __trace_puts() Yury Norov (NVIDIA)
2025-12-25 17:09 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] tracing: move tracing declarations from kernel.h to a dedicated header Yury Norov (NVIDIA)
2025-12-25 17:09 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] kernel.h: drop trace_printk.h Yury Norov (NVIDIA)
2025-12-26 16:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-27 14:45 ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-12-27 15:57 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-27 19:35 ` Yury Norov
2025-12-27 21:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-28 21:31 ` Andrew Morton
2025-12-29 16:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-29 16:41 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-12-29 17:19 ` Borislav Petkov
2025-12-29 22:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-12-30 8:55 ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-12-30 14:21 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-12-30 16:18 ` Yury Norov
2025-12-30 16:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-03 0:50 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-03 12:57 ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-01-03 14:22 ` Yury Norov
2026-01-05 9:29 ` Jani Nikula
2026-01-05 16:36 ` Yury Norov
2026-01-05 16:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-05 18:30 ` Jani Nikula
2026-01-03 15:36 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-04 0:20 ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-01-05 16:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-05 17:11 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-05 18:21 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP) [this message]
2026-01-05 19:33 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-05 20:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-05 20:15 ` Joel Fernandes
2026-01-05 18:02 ` Andy Shevchenko
2026-01-05 18:07 ` Yury Norov
2026-01-05 18:11 ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-12-27 14:50 ` Andy Shevchenko
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