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From: Nick Alcock <nick.alcock@oracle.com>
To: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	arnd@arndb.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, eugene.loh@oracle.com,
	kris.van.hees@oracle.com, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 2/8] kbuild: add modules_thick.builtin
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 21:14:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7t0row7.fsf@esperi.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y3vPGDmKVx3UWbwJ@bombadil.infradead.org> (Luis Chamberlain's message of "Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:18:48 -0800")

On 21 Nov 2022, Luis Chamberlain spake thusly:

> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 11:12:52AM -0800, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 03:21:10PM +0000, Nick Alcock wrote:
>> > One question: do you think it's worthwhile me submitting patches to
>> > de-MODULE_* things that need it?
>> 
>> 100% yes.
>> 
>> Yes please remove all that module declration helpers for things that are
>> not modules, and after you add your helper which will nag at build time
>> when it finds new ones.
>> 
>> For justification just mention in the commit log that after commit
>> 8b41fc4454e ("kbuild: create modules.builtin without Makefile.modbuiltin or
>> tristate.conf") we rely on the module license tag to generate the
>> modules.builtin file and so built-in code which uses module helpers
>> just need to be removed.
>
> You should also mention what modules.builtin is used for as per our
> Documentation/kbuild/kbuild.rst, and that it is only used for
> modprobe to *not* fail when trying to load a module which is
> built-in.

Yep! (Which is an extremely damn useful improvement, I must say. I'm
relying on it already.)

Only two remaining problems in your patch that I can see (hacked around
in the checker, but consumers shouldn't have to hack around this sort of
thing). First, some very strange lines like this in modules.builtin.objs:

drivers/hid/hid-uclogic.o: drivers/hid/hid-uclogic-core.o drivers/hid/hid-uclogic-params.o drivers/hid/hid-uclogic-rdesc.o
drivers/hid/hid-uclogic
drivers/hid/hid-uclogic-test.o: 

(note the line with no .o or colon at all.)

This seems to be a consequence of lines like

hid-uclogic-objs                := hid-uclogic-core.o \
                                   hid-uclogic-rdesc.o \
                                   hid-uclogic-params.o
obj-$(CONFIG_HID_UCLOGIC)       += hid-uclogic.o

i.e. use of -objs as a completely random variable for holding object
files which might or might not be in a module. This seems a bit.. risky
to me. Looking for a fix... maybe we can just ignore *-objs on the
grounds that if it matters it will always land in some other variable
too? ... maybe?


One other definite problem: drivers/staging/media/atomisp/Makefile says:

obj-$(CONFIG_VIDEO_ATOMISP) += pci/atomisp_gmin_platform.o

This subdirectory is lost from KBUILD_MODOBJS, leading to the file entry
in modinfo and thus the resulting modules.builtin.objs pointing to a
file named drivers/staging/media/atomisp/atomisp_gmin_platform.o, which
does not exist. (This is also seen in some non-staging directories, e.g.
kernel/trace/rv.)

> How many of these are we talking about? I'm happy to take them
> via modules-next. I'd hope to not run accross many conflicts against
> other trees.

Going by an x86 allyesconfig run, 169 total (probably plus a few given
errors like the one above), plus no doubt a few more for other arches.
So not a vast number, but enough that hacking up a checker was clearly
not a waste of time.

If there turn out to be any conflicts that aren't spurious I'd be very
surprised. Hardly anyone ever even adjusts their email address in
MODULE_AUTHOR when they change it :P

-- 
NULL && (void)

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-21 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-09 13:41 [PATCH PING v9] kallsyms: reliable symbol->address lookup with /proc/kallmodsyms Nick Alcock
2022-11-09 13:41 ` [PATCH v9 1/8] kbuild: bring back tristate.conf Nick Alcock
2022-11-10  3:56   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-09 13:41 ` [PATCH v9 2/8] kbuild: add modules_thick.builtin Nick Alcock
2022-11-10  3:58   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-11 13:47     ` Nick Alcock
2022-11-11 14:03       ` Nick Alcock
2022-11-11 15:12       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-14 17:49         ` Nick Alcock
2022-11-15 21:21           ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-21 15:21             ` Nick Alcock
2022-11-21 19:12               ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-21 19:18                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-21 21:14                   ` Nick Alcock [this message]
2022-11-09 13:41 ` [PATCH v9 3/8] kbuild: generate an address ranges map at vmlinux link time Nick Alcock
2022-11-13  3:02   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-14 16:48     ` Nick Alcock
2022-11-15 21:22       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-16 16:06         ` Nick Alcock
2022-11-09 13:41 ` [PATCH v9 4/8] kallsyms: introduce sections needed to map symbols to built-in modules Nick Alcock
2022-11-13  3:15   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-14 17:04     ` Nick Alcock
2022-11-15 11:47       ` Leizhen (ThunderTown)
2022-11-15 13:25         ` Nick Alcock
2022-11-15 19:58           ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-15 20:36             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-09 13:41 ` [PATCH v9 5/8] kallsyms: optimize .kallsyms_modules* Nick Alcock
2022-11-09 13:41 ` [PATCH v9 6/8] kallsyms: distinguish text symbols fully using object file names Nick Alcock
2022-11-09 13:41 ` [PATCH v9 7/8] kallsyms: add /proc/kallmodsyms for text symbol disambiguation Nick Alcock
2022-11-13  3:26   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-14 16:57     ` Nick Alcock
2022-11-15 21:24       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-11-09 13:41 ` [PATCH v9 8/8] perf: proof-of-concept kallmodsyms support Nick Alcock
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-10-27 19:57 [PATCH v9] kallsyms: reliable symbol->address lookup with /proc/kallmodsyms Nick Alcock
2022-10-27 19:57 ` [PATCH v9 2/8] kbuild: add modules_thick.builtin Nick Alcock

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