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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
	jikos@kernel.org, mbenes@suse.cz, joe.lawrence@redhat.com,
	mcgrof@kernel.org, live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] livepatch: Delete the associated module of disabled livepatch
Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 12:16:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZjyiZfC9GqQ4akVJ@pathway> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALOAHbBAQ580+qjxYbc1bNJxZ8wxxDqP3ua__pqKzCg9An3yGA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu 2024-05-09 13:53:17, Yafang Shao wrote:
> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:20 PM Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, May 09, 2024 at 10:17:43AM +0800, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:03 PM Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 02:01:29PM +0800, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:16 PM Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > > > If klp_patch.replace is set on the new patch then it will replace all
> > > > > > previous patches.
> > > > >
> > > > > A scenario exists wherein a user could simultaneously disable a loaded
> > > > > livepatch, potentially resulting in it not being replaced by the new
> > > > > patch. While theoretical, this possibility is not entirely
> > > > > implausible.
> > > >
> > > > Why does it matter whether it was replaced, or was disabled beforehand?
> > > > Either way the end result is the same.
> > >
> > > When users disable the livepatch, the corresponding kernel module may
> > > sometimes be removed, while other times it remains intact. This
> > > inconsistency has the potential to confuse users.
> >
> > I'm afraid I don't understand.  Can you give an example scenario?
> >
> 
> As previously mentioned, this scenario may occur if user-space tools
> remove all pertinent kernel modules from /sys/livepatch/* while a user
> attempts to load a new atomic-replace livepatch.
> 
> For instance:
> 
> User-A                                                       User-B
> 
> echo 0 > /sys/livepatch/A/enable              insmod atomic-replace-patch.ko
> 
> >From User-A's viewpoint, the A.ko module might sometimes be removed,
> while at other times it remains intact. The reason is that User-B
> removed a module that he shouldn't remove.

Why would User-A want to keep the module, please? The livepatches
could not longer be re-enabled since the commit 958ef1e39d24d6
("livepatch: Simplify API by removing registration step") which
was added in v5.1-rc1.

The only problem might be that User-A can't remove the module
because it has already been removed by User-B or vice versa.
Is this really a problem?

Have you seen the problem in practice or is it just theoretical?

Is anyone really combining livepatches with and without atomic
replace?

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-09 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-07  3:57 [PATCH v2 0/2] livepatch, module: Delete the associated module of disabled livepatch Yafang Shao
2024-04-07  3:57 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] module: Add a new helper delete_module() Yafang Shao
2024-04-24 12:09   ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-04 16:53     ` Greg KH
2024-05-04 22:26       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-04 21:36     ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-05-06 11:58   ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-07  3:57 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] livepatch: Delete the associated module of disabled livepatch Yafang Shao
2024-05-03 21:14   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-06 11:32     ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-07  2:35       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-07 14:03         ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-08  5:16           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-08  6:01             ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-08  7:03               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-09  2:17                 ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-09  5:20                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-09  5:53                     ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-09 10:16                       ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2024-05-09 11:57                         ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-09 10:51         ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-06 12:20   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 13:30 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] livepatch, module: " Joe Lawrence

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