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From: Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@kernel.org>
To: "Thomas Weißschuh" <thomas.weissschuh@linutronix.de>,
	"Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"Petr Pavlu" <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
	"Sami Tolvanen" <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	"Daniel Gomez" <da.gomez@samsung.com>,
	"Brendan Higgins" <brendan.higgins@linux.dev>,
	"David Gow" <davidgow@google.com>, "Rae Moar" <rmoar@google.com>
Cc: linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, kunit-dev@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] module: make structure definitions always visible
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 21:11:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a9eade27-9b77-431f-b7c8-24c3fb891673@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250612-kunit-ifdef-modules-v1-2-fdccd42dcff8@linutronix.de>

On 12/06/2025 16.53, Thomas WeiÃschuh wrote:
> To write code that works with both CONFIG_MODULES=y and CONFIG_MODULES=n
> it is convenient to use "if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_MODULES))" over raw #ifdef.
> The code will still fully typechecked but the unreachable parts are
> discarded by the compiler. This prevents accidental breakage when a certain
> kconfig combination was not specifically tested by the developer.
> This pattern is already supported to some extend by module.h defining
> empty stub functions if CONFIG_MODULES=n.
> However some users of module.h work on the structured defined by module.h.
> 
> Therefore these structure definitions need to be visible, too.

We are missing here which structures are needed. + we are making more things
visible than what we actually need.

> 
> Many structure members are still gated by specific configuration settings.
> The assumption for those is that the code using them will be gated behind
> the same configuration setting anyways.

I think code and kconfig need to reflect the actual dependencies. For example,
if CONFIG_LIVEPATCH depends on CONFIG_MODULES, we need to specify that in
Kconfig with depends on, as well as keep the code gated by these 2 configs with
ifdef/IS_ENABLED.

> 
> Signed-off-by: Thomas Weißschuh <thomas.weissschuh@linutronix.de>
> ---
>  include/linux/module.h | 23 ++++++++++++-----------
>  1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/include/linux/module.h b/include/linux/module.h
> index 52f7b0487a2733c56e2531a434887e56e1bf45b2..7f783e71636542b99db3dd869a9387d14992df45 100644
> --- a/include/linux/module.h
> +++ b/include/linux/module.h
> @@ -302,17 +302,6 @@ static typeof(name) __mod_device_table__##type##__##name		\
>  
>  struct notifier_block;
>  
> -#ifdef CONFIG_MODULES
> -
> -extern int modules_disabled; /* for sysctl */
> -/* Get/put a kernel symbol (calls must be symmetric) */
> -void *__symbol_get(const char *symbol);
> -void *__symbol_get_gpl(const char *symbol);
> -#define symbol_get(x)	({ \
> -	static const char __notrim[] \
> -		__used __section(".no_trim_symbol") = __stringify(x); \
> -	(typeof(&x))(__symbol_get(__stringify(x))); })
> -
>  enum module_state {
>  	MODULE_STATE_LIVE,	/* Normal state. */
>  	MODULE_STATE_COMING,	/* Full formed, running module_init. */
> @@ -598,6 +587,18 @@ struct module {
>  	struct _ddebug_info dyndbg_info;
>  #endif
>  } ____cacheline_aligned __randomize_layout;
> +
> +#ifdef CONFIG_MODULES
> +
> +extern int modules_disabled; /* for sysctl */
> +/* Get/put a kernel symbol (calls must be symmetric) */
> +void *__symbol_get(const char *symbol);
> +void *__symbol_get_gpl(const char *symbol);
> +#define symbol_get(x)	({ \
> +	static const char __notrim[] \
> +		__used __section(".no_trim_symbol") = __stringify(x); \
> +	(typeof(&x))(__symbol_get(__stringify(x))); })
> +

The patch exposes data structures that are not needed. + breaks the
config dependencies.

For example, before this patch:

#ifdef CONFIG_MODULES

{...}

struct mod_tree_node {

{...}

struct module_memory {
	void *base;
	bool is_rox;
	unsigned int size;

#ifdef CONFIG_MODULES_TREE_LOOKUP
	struct mod_tree_node mtn;
#endif
};

{...}
#endif /* CONFIG_MODULES */

After the patch, mod_tree_node is not needed externally. And the mtn field
in module_memory is exposed only under MODULES_TREE_LOOKUP and not MODULES
+ MODULES_TREE_LOOKUP.

I general, I see the issues I mentioned with LIVEPATCH, mod_tree_node, macros,
and LOOKUP.

>  #define MODULE_ARCH_INIT {}
>  #endif
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-07 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-12 14:53 [PATCH 0/3] module: make structure definitions always visible Thomas Weißschuh
2025-06-12 14:53 ` [PATCH 1/3] module: move 'struct module_use' to internal.h Thomas Weißschuh
2025-06-17  7:38   ` Petr Pavlu
2025-06-19 16:27   ` Daniel Gomez
2025-06-12 14:53 ` [PATCH 2/3] module: make structure definitions always visible Thomas Weißschuh
2025-07-07 19:11   ` Daniel Gomez [this message]
2025-07-08  9:32     ` Petr Pavlu
2025-07-11  6:29     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-07-11 13:24       ` Daniel Gomez
2025-07-08  9:39   ` Petr Pavlu
2025-06-12 14:53 ` [PATCH 3/3] kunit: test: Drop CONFIG_MODULE ifdeffery Thomas Weißschuh
2025-06-17  7:44   ` Petr Pavlu
2025-06-17  8:39     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2025-06-17 15:07       ` Petr Pavlu
2025-06-20  9:51   ` David Gow
2025-07-11 13:25   ` Daniel Gomez

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