Is sound in dosemu a myth?

Is sound in dosemu a myth?

[JLB]

Okay, gang...

I've used dosemu for years and years... I've used it in Slackware, in Red
Shat (sic), in Debian, and presently I am using it in Fedora Core 1... I
have NEVER, EVER, EVER (!!!) seen sound working.

I'd realllllllllllllly like to use dosemu to play some games. The games
work. But no sound...

Please, please, please help. I've tried everything. I know I sound like a
newbie, but I'm not. I just don't know where to begin. I've edited
dosemu.conf a billion trillion times. Please, please could someone help
me?

--
Jessica L. Blank, Systems Administrator, twu.net

Re: Is sound in dosemu a myth?

[Eemeli Kantola]

JLB wrote:
> I've used dosemu for years and years... I've used it in Slackware, in Red
> Shat (sic), in Debian, and presently I am using it in Fedora Core 1... I
> have NEVER, EVER, EVER (!!!) seen sound working.
> 
> I'd realllllllllllllly like to use dosemu to play some games. The games
> work. But no sound...

Have you read doc/sound-usage.txt in dosemu source tree already?

> Please, please, please help. I've tried everything. I know I sound like a
> newbie, but I'm not. I just don't know where to begin. I've edited
> dosemu.conf a billion trillion times. Please, please could someone help
> me?

I've got sound effects working perfectly about everywhere (dosemu 1.3, 
kernel 2.6-test9 with ALSA's OSS emulation). Only in some games (ie. 
Death Rally) does the sound still lag a bit, but not a big deal.

The biggest problem I am yet to overcome is the MIDI stuff. This is 
actually not a dosemu problem, but how do you people get TiMidity synth 
working WITH SoundBlaster sound effects at the same time? This needs 
some mixing, of course, but I haven't studied ALSA enough yet to do 
that. Can this be somehow done with ALSA's dmix plugin, or do I need a 
separate sound server of some kind?


-Eemeli

Re: Is sound in dosemu a myth?

[Justin Zygmont]

On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Eemeli Kantola wrote:

> JLB wrote:
> > I've used dosemu for years and years... I've used it in Slackware, in Red
> > Shat (sic), in Debian, and presently I am using it in Fedora Core 1... I
> > have NEVER, EVER, EVER (!!!) seen sound working.
> > 
> > I'd realllllllllllllly like to use dosemu to play some games. The games
> > work. But no sound...
> 
> Have you read doc/sound-usage.txt in dosemu source tree already?
> 
> > Please, please, please help. I've tried everything. I know I sound like a
> > newbie, but I'm not. I just don't know where to begin. I've edited
> > dosemu.conf a billion trillion times. Please, please could someone help
> > me?
> 
> I've got sound effects working perfectly about everywhere (dosemu 1.3, 
> kernel 2.6-test9 with ALSA's OSS emulation). Only in some games (ie. 
> Death Rally) does the sound still lag a bit, but not a big deal.
> 
> The biggest problem I am yet to overcome is the MIDI stuff. This is 
> actually not a dosemu problem, but how do you people get TiMidity synth 
> working WITH SoundBlaster sound effects at the same time? This needs 
> some mixing, of course, but I haven't studied ALSA enough yet to do 
> that. Can this be somehow done with ALSA's dmix plugin, or do I need a 
> separate sound server of some kind?

just out of curiousity, do you get the musical soundtrack, or just the 
sound effects?  

Re: Is sound in dosemu a myth?

[Eemeli Kantola]

Justin Zygmont wrote:
>>The biggest problem I am yet to overcome is the MIDI stuff. This is 
>>actually not a dosemu problem, but how do you people get TiMidity synth 
>>working WITH SoundBlaster sound effects at the same time? This needs 
>>some mixing, of course, but I haven't studied ALSA enough yet to do 
>>that. Can this be somehow done with ALSA's dmix plugin, or do I need a 
>>separate sound server of some kind?
> 
> just out of curiousity, do you get the musical soundtrack, or just the 
> sound effects?  

MIDI music, yes. Just not with sound effects at the same time, yet. If I 
start dosemu with Timidity server running => midi, no sb effects. And if 
not, vice versa. So I'd just like to know if somebody has solved the 
problem with a fairly simple trick already, before I start an extensive 
study on ALSA and sound mixing.

-Eemeli

Re: Is sound in dosemu a myth?

[Dave Phillips]

Justin Zygmont wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Eemeli Kantola wrote:
>
>  
>
>>The biggest problem I am yet to overcome is the MIDI stuff. This is 
>>actually not a dosemu problem, but how do you people get TiMidity synth 
>>working WITH SoundBlaster sound effects at the same time? This needs 
>>some mixing, of course, but I haven't studied ALSA enough yet to do 
>>that. Can this be somehow done with ALSA's dmix plugin, or do I need a 
>>separate sound server of some kind?
>>    
>>
I use DOSemu with TiMidity on an almost daily basis to run Voyetra's 
Sequencder Plus MIDI sequencer. I link ~/.dosemu/run/dosemu-midi to 
/dev/snd/midiC1D0, which is the ALSA virtual MIDI module (virmidi). I'm 
then able to route the MIDI output to any hardware or software 
synthesizer available via the ALSA MIDI patch bay. Most often I utilize 
TiMidity loaded with the Fluid soundfont (I like its piano) and simply 
attach the first virtual MIDI Out port (there are four by default) to 
TiMidity's first MIDI In port (it has two).

I run a small script called tim-synth to invoke TiMidity, it consists of 
only these lines :

        #!/bin/sh
        timidity -iA -B2,8 -c /home/dlphilp/timidity.cfg -Os -EFreverb=0 
-EFchorus=0

Of course I chmod'd the script to executable status so I can run it from 
my home directory with './tim-synth'. Notice that the reverb and chorus 
have been turned off. Btw, my ~/timidity.cfg file consists of only this 
line :

        soundfont /mnt/dosc/soundfiles/sfonts/FluidR3_20GM.sf2

For those of you who try this, be aware that you *must* make a 
connection between the ALSA driver and TiMidity, i.e., it won't happen 
by default. If you don't have a graphic patch bay handy (such as the 
ALSA MIDI Patch Bay or qjackctl) you can always use ALSA's aconnect 
utility. It's easy, just see 'man aconnect' for the details.

Unfortunately I'm not aware of the correct procedure to get emulated 
sound fx from DOSemu, but I'm willing to give it a shot. If someone can 
point me to a typical game or other appropriate application I'll be glad 
to run some tests here. Actually, I've never used DOSemu for any audio 
and I'm quite willing to make the attempt.

Might it be possible to route a game's fx to TiMidity's effects instead 
of performing them in emulation ? TiMidity's effects aren't all that 
great, and they chew up CPU cycles (which is why I normally turn them 
off), but maybe that's a shorter route to the goal ? I don't know, I'm 
just musing aloud, perhaps Stas can give us more insight.

Btw, using dmix might work if the problem is indeed one of mixing. If 
your soundcard doesn't support hardware mixing you'll probably end up 
using dmix (if it's the right solution).

Anyway, this is an interesting topic, and I'll try to devote some time 
to it over the next week. Also, many thanks again to the DOSemu 
developers, it's truly among my favorite Linux software.

Best regards,

Dave Phillips

no MIDI input with dosemu ?

[Dave Phillips]

Greetings:

    First I must say that I'm greatly impressed by DOSemu 1.1.99. My 
primary use for it is running MIDI apps written for MS-DOS in the late 
1980s. It handles most apps well, but I recently realized that MIDI 
support (via either midid or the ln method) is for MIDI output only. 
Bummer. There are a few of us out here who would love to be able to 
record MIDI data into an app running under DOSemu, so if anyone has any 
advice on how we might achieve that goal, please let me know. TIA!

Best regards,

Dave Phillips

Is sound in dosemu a myth?

[JLB]

I've been using dosemu for years and years-- since the days of Slackware
3.0 and Red Hat 4.2. I have NEVER, _EVER_ gotten sound to work. I have
several machines with Creative Labs sound hardware or 100% compatible, but
I can't for the life of me get dosemu to use it. Linux works fine with it,
for the record.

Can someone PLEASE give me some no-nonsense, no-BS help on actually
getting sound working so I can play some games? :)

(By the by-- if you're going to recommend QEMU or DOSBox, don't. I'm on a
Pentium 133, and I NEED the speed that only DOSemu can offer.)

--Jessica

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Re: Is sound in dosemu a myth?

[Clarence Dang]

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:57 pm, JLB wrote:
> I've been using dosemu for years and years-- since the days of Slackware
> 3.0 and Red Hat 4.2. I have NEVER, _EVER_ gotten sound to work. I have
> several machines with Creative Labs sound hardware or 100% compatible, but
> I can't for the life of me get dosemu to use it. Linux works fine with it,
> for the record.
>
> Can someone PLEASE give me some no-nonsense, no-BS help on actually
> getting sound working so I can play some games? :)
>
You're email seems like dejavu :) but:

1. Sound is supposed to work "out of the box" ever since 1.1.3.6.

2. What applications/games don't work for you?

3. Please produce a log with "xdosemu -D9S -o logfile".

4. Are you running a sound server like artsd?