From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dave Phillips Subject: Re: no MIDI input with dosemu ? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:27:29 -0500 Sender: linux-msdos-owner@vger.kernel.org Message-ID: <4007E6C1.4040806@bright.net> References: <20040116062115.BYPV11223.fed1mtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20040116062115.BYPV11223.fed1mtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: steve.home@cox.net Cc: linux-msdos@vger.kernel.org, ametts@mindspring.com Greetings: Before anyone gets disturbed over all this, I must let you know that Stas has sent me a patch to test for adding MIDI input to the CVS DOSemu. I have compiled the sources and have slightly tested for MIDI input. It didn't work, but that doesn't mean Stas's code is wrong. I'm currently in the middle of a very heavy writing project (12,000 words and I'm only about 2/3 finished, so I've been stalled for a while (Sorry, Stas!). I'll try to make some time for more testing today. So, thanks to Stas we're getting there. When Seq+ gets MIDI input it'll be just fantastic. I agree with Steve, Linux MIDI just hasn't "got there" yet, though it's certainly moving right along (so far MusE has the most appeal for me, but I haven't had time to test the latest Rosegarden release). Little by little, the doing gets it done... ;) Best, == dp steve.home@cox.net wrote: >The problem is that MIDI is not just for games. I haven't used a better all-around MIDI sequencer than seq+ in the last 10 years. And I know other people who feel the same. I hate to say it but from a user's perspective, even a user with a strong pro-linux bias, Linux MIDI hasn't hit the mark, Jazz and Rosegarden included. If dosemu and Linux are to live up to their promise there's no reason not to have a full MIDI implementation. Some of us would really appreciate it. > > >>From: Dave Phillips >>Date: 2004/01/08 Thu AM 10:16:00 EST >>To: linux-msdos@vger.kernel.org >>CC: Stas Sergeev , steve.home@cox.net, ametts@mindspring.com >>Subject: Re: no MIDI input with dosemu ? >> >>Stas Sergeev wrote: >> >> >> >>>Why? Implementing midi input is trivial, >>>but I'm puzzled as of what's the use. >>>Dosemu needs a MIDI output as otherwise >>>you can't play games. But as for midi >>>recording, you can use the native Linux >>>programs just fine. And it will actually >>>work better, because under dosemu the >>>timing is not always accurate. So why >>>would anyone ever need that? >>> >>> >>No, Stas, I can't use the native Linux sequencers "just fine" and their >>developers know it. Unfortunately there is no easy way for them to >>accomodate my working method (which results from amenities of the >>particular DOS sequencer I like to use). I put about nine years into >>working with a particular program (Sequencer Plus, or Seq+ for short) >>whose working method is far more amenable to me than that of any native >>Linux sequencer. I'm not much of a keyboard player, I'm a guitarist, so >>I prefer a MIDI sequencer with exceptional QWERTY keyboard data entry >>features, and none of the native Linux sequencers approach the usability >>of Seq+ in this regard. Actually I can use Seq+ under DOSemu to meet my >>needs, but a few other users have written to me about wanting MIDI input >>with Seq+ under DOSemu. Apparently they're not comfortable with the >>native Linux MIDI sequencers either. >> >>The developers of the native Linux sequencers know of my needs quite >>well (I've been corresponding with all of them since their projects >>began). The problem lies in some of their own assumptions and some of >>the restrictions forced on them by X11. Also, Seq+ includes many MIDI >>features not found in Rosegarden-4, MusE, Jazz++, or seq24. Timing is in >>fact very good, especially when run with a Linux kernel patched for >>low-latency (I use the Planet CCRMA system). MusE and Rosegarden both >>have trouble playing some of my MIDI sequences that Seq+ handles >>perfectly under DOSemu. The plain fact is that for my working methods >>Seq+ is superior to any native Linux MIDI sequencer. I say this not to >>criticize the Linux sequencers, but merely to indicate how far they have >>to go before they reach the maturity of an application like Seq+ (which >>by 1995 had almost ten years of development). >> >>Btw, I'm uninterested in integrated audio/MIDI sequencing, which is the >>design philosophy behind the Jazz++, MusE, and Rosegarden-4 (seq24 is >>designed more like a hardware sequencer such as the old Alesis MT8 and >>again has little value to my work methods). I'm strictly interested in >>MIDI, and it seems to me that the Linux developers are putting more time >>into audio-oriented features than into MIDI-specific features. As I >>said, they know my opinions about these matters (and we're still >>friends, incredible as it seems). >> >>If adding MIDI input capability in DOSemu is trivial, hopefully these >>reasons will convince you that it would still be greatly appreciated by >>some of us. >> >>Best regards, >> >>Dave Phillips >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >