keys under dosemu

keys under dosemu

[ray field]

Trying to switch over from OS/2 to Ubuntu via this neat little eeePC.  My primary 
word processor is XyWrite, which runs fairly well under Dosemu for the most part.

* In WyWrite I am used to using Alt-Backspace (to delete the previous word) -- for 
so long, it's now second nature.  Searching "dosemu alt-backspace" keeps yielding 
references to "ctrl-alt-backspace" which isn't what I want.  Finally I found that 
someone says "Alt-Backspace and Ctrl-Insert... are not available for the BIOS (at 
least in DOSemu!)"  Is this true, and if so, is there any chance a future DOSemu (or 
Freedos) will overcome this?

* I'd also like to remap some of the default Linux/Dosemu keys -- for example, 
Alt-F2 is very useful in Ubuntu for running a command, but while in Dosemu I'd 
prefer to let XyWrite handle it.  Is this possible?

-Rafe Tennenbaum

Re: keys under dosemu

[Alain M.]

Can anyone help him?

Alain

ray field escreveu:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:18:19 -0200, Alain M. wrote:
> 
>> I personaly allways remap Alt-F2 to Shift-F2 :)
>> Have a look if Alt-BS is not mapped somewhere
>>
>> Alain
> 
> thank you -- System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts got me to where I could 
> change "Show the panel run application dialog" from Alt-F2 to Ctrl-Shift-F2; 
> however, nothing is claiming Alt-Bk...?
> 
> -rafe
> 
> 
> 

Re: keys under dosemu

[James Courtier-Dutton]

Alain M. wrote:
> Can anyone help him?
> 
> Alain
> 
> ray field escreveu:
>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:18:19 -0200, Alain M. wrote:
>>
>>> I personaly allways remap Alt-F2 to Shift-F2 :)
>>> Have a look if Alt-BS is not mapped somewhere
>>>
>>> Alain
>>
>> thank you -- System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts got me to where I
>> could change "Show the panel run application dialog" from Alt-F2 to
>> Ctrl-Shift-F2; however, nothing is claiming Alt-Bk...?
>>
>> -rafe
>>

I managed to fix this sort of problem a long time ago. I cannot remember
the details now but it involved using a different terminal window.
I.e. rxvt instead of xterm.
I think rxvt was the one I used but cannot be sure.
xterm and others seem to grab the keys before dosemu even sees them.

Kind Regards
James

Re: keys under dosemu

[Frantisek Hanzlik]

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ray field wrote:
> Trying to switch over from OS/2 to Ubuntu via this neat little eeePC.  My primary
> word processor is XyWrite, which runs fairly well under Dosemu for the most part.
>
> * In WyWrite I am used to using Alt-Backspace (to delete the previous word) -- for
> so long, it's now second nature.  Searching "dosemu alt-backspace" keeps yielding
> references to "ctrl-alt-backspace" which isn't what I want.  Finally I found that
> someone says "Alt-Backspace and Ctrl-Insert... are not available for the BIOS (at
> least in DOSemu!)"  Is this true, and if so, is there any chance a future DOSemu (or
> Freedos) will overcome this?
>
> * I'd also like to remap some of the default Linux/Dosemu keys -- for example,
> Alt-F2 is very useful in Ubuntu for running a command, but while in Dosemu I'd
> prefer to let XyWrite handle it.  Is this possible?
>
> -Rafe Tennenbaum
-- 
I just tried run small freeware DOS program "ScanCode Show" (scode.com
from scode22.zip from Simtelnet) which display scancodes - as You can
see on attached screenshot, both "Alt-Backspace" and "Ctrl-Insert" are
captured by scode.
And when I disable (by gnome-keybinding-properties prog) GNOME default
binded keys ALT-F1, ALT-F2, ALT-F4, ALT-F8,... then these are available
for DOSEMU programs as well.
Then I think there isn't any problem use these combinations in Your DOS
programs.

Regards,
Franta Hanzlik

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Re: keys under dosemu

[ray field]

>I just tried run small freeware DOS program "ScanCode Show" (scode.com
>from scode22.zip from Simtelnet) which display scancodes - as You can
>see on attached screenshot, both "Alt-Backspace" and "Ctrl-Insert" are
>captured by scode.
>And when I disable (by gnome-keybinding-properties prog) GNOME default
>binded keys ALT-F1, ALT-F2, ALT-F4, ALT-F8,... then these are available
>for DOSEMU programs as well.
>Then I think there isn't any problem use these combinations in Your DOS
>programs.
>
>Regards,
>Franta Hanzlik


ok, I've got some catching up to do, and the documentation assumes more comfort 
& understanding than I have.

I downloaded and ran scode, and obtained 0E00 as the value for ctrl-bkspace.

are you suggesting that since I know that the value of the keystroke, I can use a 
keyboard statement in dosemu.conf?

I tried entering 

	keyboard {  layout us {alt 14=00E0} ... }

which gave 

In file included from built-in global.conf:122
 from :122
 Error in /etc/dosemu/dosemu.conf: (line 672) unrecognized expression 'E0'
 Error in /etc/dosemu/dosemu.conf: (line 672) syntax error
 2 error(s) detected while parsing the configuration-file

I also tried 

	keytable keyb-user {alt14=00E0}

with similar results.  I'm sure I am way off, though!

thanks -- 

rafe

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:25:02 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:

>ray field wrote:
>> Trying to switch over from OS/2 to Ubuntu via this neat little eeePC.  My primary
>> word processor is XyWrite, which runs fairly well under Dosemu for the most 
part.
>>
>> * In WyWrite I am used to using Alt-Backspace (to delete the previous word) -- 
for
>> so long, it's now second nature.  Searching "dosemu alt-backspace" keeps 
yielding
>> references to "ctrl-alt-backspace" which isn't what I want.  Finally I found that
>> someone says "Alt-Backspace and Ctrl-Insert... are not available for the BIOS 
(at
>> least in DOSemu!)"  Is this true, and if so, is there any chance a future DOSemu 
(or
>> Freedos) will overcome this?
>>
>> * I'd also like to remap some of the default Linux/Dosemu keys -- for example,
>> Alt-F2 is very useful in Ubuntu for running a command, but while in Dosemu I'd
>> prefer to let XyWrite handle it.  Is this possible?
>>
>> -Rafe Tennenbaum
>-- 
>I just tried run small freeware DOS program "ScanCode Show" (scode.com
>from scode22.zip from Simtelnet) which display scancodes - as You can
>see on attached screenshot, both "Alt-Backspace" and "Ctrl-Insert" are
>captured by scode.
>And when I disable (by gnome-keybinding-properties prog) GNOME default
>binded keys ALT-F1, ALT-F2, ALT-F4, ALT-F8,... then these are available
>for DOSEMU programs as well.
>Then I think there isn't any problem use these combinations in Your DOS
>programs.
>
>Regards,
>Franta Hanzlik
>

Re: keys under dosemu

[ray field]

still trying to figure out how to retrieve Alt-Backspace.  I've experimented with at 
least half a dozen different terminals without success.

is there no way to do it in the .conf file?  I finally came across the DOSEMU 
Alterer's Novices Guide (there is no README.newkbd in my /dosemu/doc) which I 
guess is for adjusting & recompiling, which is a little beyond me, however perhaps 
with a little guidance...

-rafe t.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:37:07 -0500 (EST), ray field wrote:

>>I just tried run small freeware DOS program "ScanCode Show" (scode.com
>>from scode22.zip from Simtelnet) which display scancodes - as You can
>>see on attached screenshot, both "Alt-Backspace" and "Ctrl-Insert" are
>>captured by scode.
>>And when I disable (by gnome-keybinding-properties prog) GNOME default
>>binded keys ALT-F1, ALT-F2, ALT-F4, ALT-F8,... then these are available
>>for DOSEMU programs as well.
>>Then I think there isn't any problem use these combinations in Your DOS
>>programs.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Franta Hanzlik
>
>
>ok, I've got some catching up to do, and the documentation assumes more 
comfort 
>& understanding than I have.
>
>I downloaded and ran scode, and obtained 0E00 as the value for ctrl-bkspace.
>
>are you suggesting that since I know that the value of the keystroke, I can use a 
>keyboard statement in dosemu.conf?
>
>I tried entering 
>
>	keyboard {  layout us {alt 14=00E0} ... }
>
>which gave 
>
>In file included from built-in global.conf:122
> from :122
> Error in /etc/dosemu/dosemu.conf: (line 672) unrecognized expression 'E0'
> Error in /etc/dosemu/dosemu.conf: (line 672) syntax error
> 2 error(s) detected while parsing the configuration-file
>
>I also tried 
>
>	keytable keyb-user {alt14=00E0}
>
>with similar results.  I'm sure I am way off, though!
>
>thanks -- 
>
>rafe
>
>On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:25:02 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>
>>ray field wrote:
>>> Trying to switch over from OS/2 to Ubuntu via this neat little eeePC.  My 
primary
>>> word processor is XyWrite, which runs fairly well under Dosemu for the most 
>part.
>>>
>>> * In WyWrite I am used to using Alt-Backspace (to delete the previous word) 
-- 
>for
>>> so long, it's now second nature.  Searching "dosemu alt-backspace" keeps 
>yielding
>>> references to "ctrl-alt-backspace" which isn't what I want.  Finally I found that
>>> someone says "Alt-Backspace and Ctrl-Insert... are not available for the BIOS 
>(at
>>> least in DOSemu!)"  Is this true, and if so, is there any chance a future 
DOSemu 
>(or
>>> Freedos) will overcome this?
>>>
>>> * I'd also like to remap some of the default Linux/Dosemu keys -- for example,
>>> Alt-F2 is very useful in Ubuntu for running a command, but while in Dosemu I'd
>>> prefer to let XyWrite handle it.  Is this possible?
>>>
>>> -Rafe Tennenbaum
>>-- 
>>I just tried run small freeware DOS program "ScanCode Show" (scode.com
>>from scode22.zip from Simtelnet) which display scancodes - as You can
>>see on attached screenshot, both "Alt-Backspace" and "Ctrl-Insert" are
>>captured by scode.
>>And when I disable (by gnome-keybinding-properties prog) GNOME default
>>binded keys ALT-F1, ALT-F2, ALT-F4, ALT-F8,... then these are available
>>for DOSEMU programs as well.
>>Then I think there isn't any problem use these combinations in Your DOS
>>programs.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Franta Hanzlik
>>
>
>

Re: keys under dosemu

[Stuart Axon]

Ooops meant to address this to the list :)

2009/1/24 Stuart Axon <stu.axon+dosemu-users@gmail.com>:
> If theres an old demo version somewhere, that might be good for trying
> to work out
> what the programs actually doing
>
> 2009/1/23 ray field <rayyfield@verizon.net>:
>>
>> still trying to figure out how to retrieve Alt-Backspace.  I've experimented with at
>> least half a dozen different terminals without success.
>>
>> is there no way to do it in the .conf file?  I finally came across the DOSEMU
>> Alterer's Novices Guide (there is no README.newkbd in my /dosemu/doc) which I
>> guess is for adjusting & recompiling, which is a little beyond me, however perhaps
>> with a little guidance...
>>
>> -rafe t.
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:37:07 -0500 (EST), ray field wrote:
>>
>>>>I just tried run small freeware DOS program "ScanCode Show" (scode.com
>>>>from scode22.zip from Simtelnet) which display scancodes - as You can
>>>>see on attached screenshot, both "Alt-Backspace" and "Ctrl-Insert" are
>>>>captured by scode.
>>>>And when I disable (by gnome-keybinding-properties prog) GNOME default
>>>>binded keys ALT-F1, ALT-F2, ALT-F4, ALT-F8,... then these are available
>>>>for DOSEMU programs as well.
>>>>Then I think there isn't any problem use these combinations in Your DOS
>>>>programs.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Franta Hanzlik
>>>
>>>
>>>ok, I've got some catching up to do, and the documentation assumes more
>> comfort
>>>& understanding than I have.
>>>
>>>I downloaded and ran scode, and obtained 0E00 as the value for ctrl-bkspace.
>>>
>>>are you suggesting that since I know that the value of the keystroke, I can use a
>>>keyboard statement in dosemu.conf?
>>>
>>>I tried entering
>>>
>>>       keyboard {  layout us {alt 14=00E0} ... }
>>>
>>>which gave
>>>
>>>In file included from built-in global.conf:122
>>> from :122
>>> Error in /etc/dosemu/dosemu.conf: (line 672) unrecognized expression 'E0'
>>> Error in /etc/dosemu/dosemu.conf: (line 672) syntax error
>>> 2 error(s) detected while parsing the configuration-file
>>>
>>>I also tried
>>>
>>>       keytable keyb-user {alt14=00E0}
>>>
>>>with similar results.  I'm sure I am way off, though!
>>>
>>>thanks --
>>>
>>>rafe
>>>
>>>On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:25:02 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>>>
>>>>ray field wrote:
>>>>> Trying to switch over from OS/2 to Ubuntu via this neat little eeePC.  My
>> primary
>>>>> word processor is XyWrite, which runs fairly well under Dosemu for the most
>>>part.
>>>>>
>>>>> * In WyWrite I am used to using Alt-Backspace (to delete the previous word)
>> --
>>>for
>>>>> so long, it's now second nature.  Searching "dosemu alt-backspace" keeps
>>>yielding
>>>>> references to "ctrl-alt-backspace" which isn't what I want.  Finally I found that
>>>>> someone says "Alt-Backspace and Ctrl-Insert... are not available for the BIOS
>>>(at
>>>>> least in DOSemu!)"  Is this true, and if so, is there any chance a future
>> DOSemu
>>>(or
>>>>> Freedos) will overcome this?
>>>>>
>>>>> * I'd also like to remap some of the default Linux/Dosemu keys -- for example,
>>>>> Alt-F2 is very useful in Ubuntu for running a command, but while in Dosemu I'd
>>>>> prefer to let XyWrite handle it.  Is this possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rafe Tennenbaum
>>>>--
>>>>I just tried run small freeware DOS program "ScanCode Show" (scode.com
>>>>from scode22.zip from Simtelnet) which display scancodes - as You can
>>>>see on attached screenshot, both "Alt-Backspace" and "Ctrl-Insert" are
>>>>captured by scode.
>>>>And when I disable (by gnome-keybinding-properties prog) GNOME default
>>>>binded keys ALT-F1, ALT-F2, ALT-F4, ALT-F8,... then these are available
>>>>for DOSEMU programs as well.
>>>>Then I think there isn't any problem use these combinations in Your DOS
>>>>programs.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Franta Hanzlik
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: keys under dosemu

[Frantisek Hanzlik]

ray field wrote:
>> I just tried run small freeware DOS program "ScanCode Show" (scode.com
>>from scode22.zip from Simtelnet) which display scancodes - as You can
>> see on attached screenshot, both "Alt-Backspace" and "Ctrl-Insert" are
>> captured by scode.
>> And when I disable (by gnome-keybinding-properties prog) GNOME default
>> binded keys ALT-F1, ALT-F2, ALT-F4, ALT-F8,... then these are available
>> for DOSEMU programs as well.
>> Then I think there isn't any problem use these combinations in Your DOS
>> programs.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Franta Hanzlik
>
>
> ok, I've got some catching up to do, and the documentation assumes more comfort
> &  understanding than I have.
>
> I downloaded and ran scode, and obtained 0E00 as the value for ctrl-bkspace.

For me it show 0E08 for bkspace (and shift-bkspace too), 0E7F for ctrl-bkspace
and 0E00 for alt-bkspace.

>
> are you suggesting that since I know that the value of the keystroke, I can use a
> keyboard statement in dosemu.conf?
I think, when You disable capturing Your keys in Linux window manager (and/or X),
then is no need for further configuration in dosemu.conf - You app obtain these
keys equally as under plai DOS system.

Franta Hanzlik

>
> I tried entering
>
> 	keyboard {  layout us {alt 14=00E0} ... }
>
> which gave
>
> In file included from built-in global.conf:122
>   from :122
>   Error in /etc/dosemu/dosemu.conf: (line 672) unrecognized expression 'E0'
>   Error in /etc/dosemu/dosemu.conf: (line 672) syntax error
>   2 error(s) detected while parsing the configuration-file
>
> I also tried
>
> 	keytable keyb-user {alt14=00E0}
>
> with similar results.  I'm sure I am way off, though!
>
> thanks --
>
> rafe
>
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:25:02 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
>
>> ray field wrote:
>>> Trying to switch over from OS/2 to Ubuntu via this neat little eeePC.  My primary
>>> word processor is XyWrite, which runs fairly well under Dosemu for the most
> part.
>>> * In WyWrite I am used to using Alt-Backspace (to delete the previous word) --
> for
>>> so long, it's now second nature.  Searching "dosemu alt-backspace" keeps
> yielding
>>> references to "ctrl-alt-backspace" which isn't what I want.  Finally I found that
>>> someone says "Alt-Backspace and Ctrl-Insert... are not available for the BIOS
> (at
>>> least in DOSemu!)"  Is this true, and if so, is there any chance a future DOSemu
> (or
>>> Freedos) will overcome this?
>>>
>>> * I'd also like to remap some of the default Linux/Dosemu keys -- for example,
>>> Alt-F2 is very useful in Ubuntu for running a command, but while in Dosemu I'd
>>> prefer to let XyWrite handle it.  Is this possible?
>>>
>>> -Rafe Tennenbaum
>> --
>> I just tried run small freeware DOS program "ScanCode Show" (scode.com
>>from scode22.zip from Simtelnet) which display scancodes - as You can
>> see on attached screenshot, both "Alt-Backspace" and "Ctrl-Insert" are
>> captured by scode.
>> And when I disable (by gnome-keybinding-properties prog) GNOME default
>> binded keys ALT-F1, ALT-F2, ALT-F4, ALT-F8,... then these are available
>> for DOSEMU programs as well.
>> Then I think there isn't any problem use these combinations in Your DOS
>> programs.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Franta Hanzlik

Re: keys under dosemu

[Frantisek Hanzlik]

ray field wrote:
> still trying to figure out how to retrieve Alt-Backspace.  I've experimented with at
> least half a dozen different terminals without success.
>
> is there no way to do it in the .conf file?  I finally came across the DOSEMU
> Alterer's Novices Guide (there is no README.newkbd in my /dosemu/doc) which I
> guess is for adjusting&  recompiling, which is a little beyond me, however perhaps
> with a little guidance...
>
> -rafe t.
>
-- 
Sorry for my bad English, I thought that You want use original apps keys
(Alt-Backspace etc. in WyWrite), my first mail was about it - scode
give evidence, that keys come into DOS application (when I disable these
keys capturing in GNOME/KDE/X).

When You want use key remapping (ie DOS apps obtain ALT-Bacspace when
pressing CTRL-F5), I have not experience with it, sorry.

Regards, Franta Hanzlík
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Re: keys under dosemu

[ray field]

well, I appreciate any input I can get.   

here is where I am:

1) gnome has extensive keyboard configuration options but none that I've tried 
have any noticeable effect on Dosemu.  I'm not sure it matters, however, because 

2) according to SCODE, under OS/2's Dos window, XP, and DosBox under Ubuntu 
Intrepid, Alt-Backspace produces 0EF0 while under Dosemu it produces 0E00.  not 
surprisingingly, Alt-Backspace XyWrite under DosBox deletes the previous word, 
while under Dosemu it doesn't do anything.  so, it would make sense to turn to 

3) kc.exe and keycode.exe to produce a new keyboard for use under Dosemu, 
except I don't know how to find a US.KEY file and wouldn't know how to modify it 
for that one keystroke if I did.  I guess the documentation in kc110x.zip is very 
thorough -- if you know what you're doing, that is. 

-rafe t.

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:45:12 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:

>ray field wrote:
>> still trying to figure out how to retrieve Alt-Backspace.  I've experimented with at
>> least half a dozen different terminals without success.
>>
>> is there no way to do it in the .conf file?  I finally came across the DOSEMU
>> Alterer's Novices Guide (there is no README.newkbd in my /dosemu/doc) which I
>> guess is for adjusting&  recompiling, which is a little beyond me, however perhaps
>> with a little guidance...
>>
>> -rafe t.
>>
>-- 
>Sorry for my bad English, I thought that You want use original apps keys
>(Alt-Backspace etc. in WyWrite), my first mail was about it - scode
>give evidence, that keys come into DOS application (when I disable these
>keys capturing in GNOME/KDE/X).
>
>When You want use key remapping (ie DOS apps obtain ALT-Bacspace when
>pressing CTRL-F5), I have not experience with it, sorry.
>
>Regards, Franta Hanzlík
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Re: keys under dosemu

[ray field]

On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:25:41 -0500 (EST), ray field wrote:

>2) according to SCODE, under OS/2's Dos window, XP, and DosBox under Ubuntu 
>Intrepid, Alt-Backspace produces 0EF0 while under Dosemu it produces 0E00.  
not 
>surprisingingly, Alt-Backspace XyWrite under DosBox deletes the previous word, 
>while under Dosemu it doesn't do anything.  so, it would make sense to turn to 

well, ok, is this a bug?  
if so is it a Dosemu bug?
if it's a Dosemu bug, where/can I file a bug report?  (have never done this before)

-rt