From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Stas Sergeev Subject: Re: Install DR-DOS 7.0 into dosemu on Linux Mint (Debian) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 19:55:17 +0400 Message-ID: <520CF9E5.4010805@list.ru> References: <520C75CA.9060704@poslinker.com> <520C8C06.50403@hanzlici.cz> <520CA2FE.10308@list.ru> <520CAD08.4070501@hanzlici.cz> <520CB321.9030101@list.ru> <520CECCE.5020505@hanzlici.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Return-path: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=list.ru; s=mail; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=W9M/AYykf2JADSm30Rz9SXT4taXewBU0jm6fzC6EBOA=; b=TRH7WYvX8fVoUxSJIGFApNkpuhQU/CNCi5Q8IjfKfyWeAicG87z9OaTUY7EA98NSeFpEeE0+HjZdlOxAMN5FnMEpju3L6SzHvavEho+wRhX0gAUxJ1Xy3Y0aNgdTgU1ZpzPRgdy/BVpackVhXBWb9i6I+oFgGVXwTARtrBkwPLg=; In-Reply-To: <520CECCE.5020505@hanzlici.cz> Sender: linux-msdos-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" To: Frantisek Hanzlik Cc: linux-msdos@vger.kernel.org 15.08.2013 18:59, Frantisek Hanzlik =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > Stas Sergeev wrote: >> 15.08.2013 14:27, Frantisek Hanzlik =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: >>> - regarding to building FreeDOS with GPLed compiler and things that >>> DOSEMU/FreeDOS isn't in certain Linux distros: as I understand this= , >>> distro maintainers not include it in distro cores because FreeDOS >>> cannot be compiled with _open_source_ compiler (IMO it doesn't need >>> to be GPLed one). Thus, isn't their opinion from pre-openwatcom era >>> and now nothing prevent to include DOSEMU/FreeDOS into Linux >>> distributions? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybase_Open_Watcom_Public_License > I tried understand this and referenced links, but right interpretatio= n > is perhaps over my english skills. Only a few things: > - it seems as OW is released under "Sybase Open Watcom Public License > version 1.0" sometimes from 2002, and according to You mentioned wiki > page, there is a draft of version 2.0 of the Licence from 2004. > Then, will not be fine when this v2.0 license will satisfy distributi= ons > leaders? Maybe. But please note that 9 years passed since 2004, and there was no release, just the draft. Even if they eventually make a release, just how many time it will take to re-license OW under that license? I wouldn't hold a breathe. > World evolves, sometimes in right direction, hope OW will have better > license soon. Soon? > For me, it seems as e.g. restrictions to use firmware under Fedora: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Binary_Firmware > are more benevolent than use FreeDOS with DOSEMU (maybe in this case > is possible imagine FreeDOS as some sort of 'firmware', as it isn't > directly executable under Linux, yes?) It is not impossible to include freedos in debian contrib, as it is GPL= =2E But it will have to stay in contrib until it can be compiled under debi= an. It is actually already there AFAIK, but I know too little about debian. So, while not completely impossible, freedos will always be a second-cl= ass citizen in the distros. While this is the case, people can decide to install only dosemu and boot their own DOS - this is what I do anyway. There was a project started, freedos-32, that was meant to solve that problem, but I don't think it progresses fast enough. >>> Of course, I personally shall be happy to see DOSEMU >>> in Linux distributions too. >> Someone have to write a compiler for for FreeDOS and release >> it under GPL. :) > Yeah, it would be super, but we need be realistic... > IMO there's no need to be all strictly GPL (v2, v2+, v3+, LGPL+/- :), > maybe lot of other OSI licenses accepted by FSF would be fine too. OK but that won't help getting such a compiler. There is none under GPL and none under any other fsf-approved license. Some googling reveals that there actually are few, but freedos have to be "ported" for them... > Yes, I just now, out from curiosity, insert some my old CD from 1998 = and > found 16-bit Netscape Navigator gold (v3.04) and standard (3.04 and 4= =2E04) > there. Where those times are... Nostalgia... But when I 15 years was = not > using them, most likely I will get along without them in the future t= oo ;) You can also run ms-word 2 or 6. :-! But maybe you can also run this all under Wine... >> Not a very big deal, sure, but still it is a bit of a problem >> by itself that FreeDOS, being recommended to use with dosemu, >> shrinks its functionality compared to other DOSes. It should enrich >> the functionality, not shrink. > IMO those are functionalities related to 32-bit CPUs leverage, as wor= k > with memory, task switching etc. - and these features even are not > fully compatible across all DOS distributions. FreeDOS perhaps extend > DOS functionality in other areas too. Regards task switching - for me Task switching presumably doesn't work under DrDOS, not freedos. drdos has some taskmgr that seems to use their extensions to emm386. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-msdos" = in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html