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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: dedekind@infradead.org
Cc: linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, Bruce_Leonard@selinc.com
Subject: Re: For UBIFS users: be aware of write-back!
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 08:57:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1223020676.3328.28.camel@macbook.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1223019946.8051.45.camel@sauron>

On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 10:45 +0300, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> "In contrast, JFFS2 does not have write-back support and all the JFFS2
> file system changes go the flash synchronously. Well, this is not
> completely true and JFFS2 does have a small buffer of a NAND page
> size, but it is small and we may treat JFFS2 as completely
> synchronous."

That's quite poorly phrased. You may _not_ treat JFFS2 as completely
synchronous. You treat it like a normal file system, or it's going to
eat your babies.

There was a reason I was perfectly happy to make the change which made
JFFS2 start requiring fsync() like normal file systems -- it was because
people should have been doing it _anyway_.

Anyone who was skipping the required sync handling because they 'knew'
that it didn't matter on JFFS2, even though it didn't cost them anything
anyway -- and who didn't wake up at 3am every morning in a cold sweat,
worrying that it might have broken today -- deserves to be taken out
back and shot.

When it comes to correctness, people shouldn't have to do anything
special for different file systems. If there is _anything_ fs-specific
about the correctness issues, you are doing something WRONG (cf. NFS).

-- 
David Woodhouse                            Open Source Technology Centre
David.Woodhouse@intel.com                              Intel Corporation

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-03  7:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-01  5:51 For UBIFS users: be aware of write-back! Artem Bityutskiy
2008-10-03  7:15 ` David Woodhouse
2008-10-03  7:45   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-10-03  7:57     ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2008-10-03  8:03       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-10-03  8:11   ` Artem Bityutskiy

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