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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@infradead.org>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, Bruce_Leonard@selinc.com
Subject: Re: For UBIFS users: be aware of write-back!
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:03:30 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1223021010.8051.61.camel@sauron> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1223020676.3328.28.camel@macbook.infradead.org>


On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 08:57 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 10:45 +0300, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> > "In contrast, JFFS2 does not have write-back support and all the JFFS2
> > file system changes go the flash synchronously. Well, this is not
> > completely true and JFFS2 does have a small buffer of a NAND page
> > size, but it is small and we may treat JFFS2 as completely
> > synchronous."
> 
> That's quite poorly phrased. You may _not_ treat JFFS2 as completely
> synchronous. You treat it like a normal file system, or it's going to
> eat your babies.
> 
> There was a reason I was perfectly happy to make the change which made
> JFFS2 start requiring fsync() like normal file systems -- it was because
> people should have been doing it _anyway_.
> 
> Anyone who was skipping the required sync handling because they 'knew'
> that it didn't matter on JFFS2, even though it didn't cost them anything
> anyway -- and who didn't wake up at 3am every morning in a cold sweat,
> worrying that it might have broken today -- deserves to be taken out
> back and shot.
> 
> When it comes to correctness, people shouldn't have to do anything
> special for different file systems. If there is _anything_ fs-specific
> about the correctness issues, you are doing something WRONG (cf. NFS).

Well, this is what I actually assume. I'll change the docs to make them
telling loudly about this.

-- 
Best regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Битюцкий Артём)

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-03  8:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-01  5:51 For UBIFS users: be aware of write-back! Artem Bityutskiy
2008-10-03  7:15 ` David Woodhouse
2008-10-03  7:45   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-10-03  7:57     ` David Woodhouse
2008-10-03  8:03       ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2008-10-03  8:11   ` Artem Bityutskiy

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