latest MTD-utils

latest MTD-utils

[twebb]

What is recommended for one who wants the latest, stable version of
mtd-utils.  On http://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git, the latest tag
is v1.3.1 but that is 8 months old.  Should I get the HEAD or
something else?

Thanks,
twebb

Re: latest MTD-utils

[Artem Bityutskiy]

On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 18:47 -0400, twebb wrote:
> What is recommended for one who wants the latest, stable version of
> mtd-utils.  On http://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git, the latest tag
> is v1.3.1 but that is 8 months old.  Should I get the HEAD or
> something else?

Tagged v1.4.0, thanks for reminder.

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)

Re: latest MTD-utils

[Peter Korsgaard]

>>>>> "Artem" == Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com> writes:

 Artem> On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 18:47 -0400, twebb wrote:
 >> What is recommended for one who wants the latest, stable version of
 >> mtd-utils.  On http://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git, the latest tag
 >> is v1.3.1 but that is 8 months old.  Should I get the HEAD or
 >> something else?

 Artem> Tagged v1.4.0, thanks for reminder.

And once again - David, could we please have a tarball on
ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils?

Thanks.

-- 
Bye, Peter Korsgaard

Re: latest MTD-utils

[Artem Bityutskiy]

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:45 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> >>>>> "Artem" == Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>  Artem> On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 18:47 -0400, twebb wrote:
>  >> What is recommended for one who wants the latest, stable version of
>  >> mtd-utils.  On http://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git, the latest tag
>  >> is v1.3.1 but that is 8 months old.  Should I get the HEAD or
>  >> something else?
> 
>  Artem> Tagged v1.4.0, thanks for reminder.
> 
> And once again - David, could we please have a tarball on
> ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils?

:-)))
I can do this, if David grants me the rights.

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)

Re: latest MTD-utils

[Artem Bityutskiy]

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 16:51 +0300, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:45 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> > >>>>> "Artem" == Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> >  Artem> On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 18:47 -0400, twebb wrote:
> >  >> What is recommended for one who wants the latest, stable version of
> >  >> mtd-utils.  On http://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git, the latest tag
> >  >> is v1.3.1 but that is 8 months old.  Should I get the HEAD or
> >  >> something else?
> > 
> >  Artem> Tagged v1.4.0, thanks for reminder.
> > 
> > And once again - David, could we please have a tarball on
> > ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils?
> 
> :-)))
> I can do this, if David grants me the rights.

Peter, why would not you make a make tarball target, BTW? Sorry, may be
you explained, but I forgot.

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Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)

Re: latest MTD-utils

[Peter Korsgaard]

>>>>> "Artem" == Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com> writes:

Hi,

 Artem> Peter, why would not you make a make tarball target, BTW? Sorry,
 Artem> may be you explained, but I forgot.

You mean why don't I just checkout from git and make a tarball myself?

Tarballs are pretty much the standard for source releases, and
source-based metadistributions (like Buildroot that I maintain) normally
are optimized for tarballs rather than semi-random git snapshots
(E.G. mirroring, automatic handling, ..).

And then there's the issue about people checking the ftp and not
noticing that there's actually a new stable release out instead of the
old 1.3.1

-- 
Bye, Peter Korsgaard

Re: latest MTD-utils

[Artem Bityutskiy]

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 16:07 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> >>>>> "Artem" == Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>  Artem> Peter, why would not you make a make tarball target, BTW? Sorry,
>  Artem> may be you explained, but I forgot.
> 
> You mean why don't I just checkout from git and make a tarball myself?
> 
> Tarballs are pretty much the standard for source releases, and
> source-based metadistributions (like Buildroot that I maintain) normally
> are optimized for tarballs rather than semi-random git snapshots
> (E.G. mirroring, automatic handling, ..).
> 
> And then there's the issue about people checking the ftp and not
> noticing that there's actually a new stable release out instead of the
> old 1.3.1

It is not too difficult to provide tarball, but this is something
developers do not care about, they develop. Packagers do care, and it is
saner when packagers do this, not developers.

I was in LinuxCon Brazil this year, and there was this presentation:
http://events.linuxfoundation.org/2010/linuxcon-brazil/cornec

where bruno said exactly the same. And he was promoting his project
which claims to be able to pick sources from anywhere - git, svn,
whatever.

So the question is, why Buildroot cannot adjust to the reality (which is
that developers in average do not care about tarballs) and cannot be
improved?

I'm not competent in the packaging area, though. Just a logical thought.
Also CCed Bruno, may he'll be interested to know his presentation was
listened to :-) Bruno, the beginning of the conversation is here:
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2010-September/032164.html

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)

Re: latest MTD-utils

[Peter Korsgaard]

>>>>> "Artem" == Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com> writes:

Hi,

 Artem> It is not too difficult to provide tarball, but this is
 Artem> something developers do not care about, they develop. Packagers
 Artem> do care, and it is saner when packagers do this, not developers.

 Artem> I was in LinuxCon Brazil this year, and there was this presentation:
 Artem> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/2010/linuxcon-brazil/cornec

 Artem> where bruno said exactly the same. And he was promoting his
 Artem> project which claims to be able to pick sources from anywhere -
 Artem> git, svn, whatever.

 Artem> So the question is, why Buildroot cannot adjust to the reality
 Artem> (which is that developers in average do not care about tarballs)
 Artem> and cannot be improved?

Sure, buildroot can fetch from git - That's not the problem. All I'm
asking for is a bit of consistency to lower the amount of confusion:

- Either provide tarballs like in the past
- Or clearly state that you don't (website, readme on ftp site) and
  (re)move the old releases so people don't think that's where they are
  supposed to find releases (E.G. google for
  ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils/ and see the amount of references)

-- 
Bye, Peter Korsgaard

Re: latest MTD-utils

[Artem Bityutskiy]

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 16:42 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> - Either provide tarballs like in the past

Done, there is

ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils/mtd-utils-1.4.0.tar.bz2

now.

However, I did not update the .spec file. Hopefully this is not needed.

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)

Re: latest MTD-utils

[Peter Korsgaard]

>>>>> "Artem" == Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com> writes:

 Artem> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 16:42 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
 >> - Either provide tarballs like in the past

 Artem> Done, there is

 Artem> ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils/mtd-utils-1.4.0.tar.bz2

 Artem> now.

 Artem> However, I did not update the .spec file. Hopefully this is not needed.

Thanks, builds fine here.

-- 
Bye, Peter Korsgaard

Re: latest MTD-utils

[Bruno Cornec]

Hello,

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 05:27:32PM +0300, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 16:07 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> > >>>>> "Artem" == Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> >  Artem> Peter, why would not you make a make tarball target, BTW? Sorry,
> >  Artem> may be you explained, but I forgot.
> > 
> > You mean why don't I just checkout from git and make a tarball myself?
> > 
> > Tarballs are pretty much the standard for source releases, and
> > source-based metadistributions (like Buildroot that I maintain) normally
> > are optimized for tarballs rather than semi-random git snapshots
> > (E.G. mirroring, automatic handling, ..).
> > 
> > And then there's the issue about people checking the ftp and not
> > noticing that there's actually a new stable release out instead of the
> > old 1.3.1
> 
> It is not too difficult to provide tarball, but this is something
> developers do not care about, they develop. Packagers do care, and it is
> saner when packagers do this, not developers.

Well, I'd find normal that a team producing a SW, agrees to produce a
given version and materialize its production by the delivery of a tar
ball correctly tagged. At least, that's what I do for my projects.

Also I understand quite well SVN, but with git, I'm always under the
impression that there is not really a reference repo from which people
can build a reference SW. Probably my lack of practice of git.

> I was in LinuxCon Brazil this year, and there was this presentation:
> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/2010/linuxcon-brazil/cornec
> where bruno said exactly the same. And he was promoting his project
> which claims to be able to pick sources from anywhere - git, svn,
> whatever.

Yes it is ;-) My goal is to allow people wanting to follow the
development to have a way to install/uninstall the project very easily
without perturbation to their normal packaging system.

To that purpose, the tool creates from a VCS such as git/svn/... a tar
ball for a given version/branch/context/ and build appropriate packages
from that point. It needs some conf files in order to support that.
(Examples of projects using project-builder.org at
http://trac.project-builder.org/browser/projects and doc at
http://trac.project-builder.org/browser/devel/pb-doc/LabProject-Builder.org.pdf
More details upon request.

> I'm not competent in the packaging area, though. Just a logical thought.
> Also CCed Bruno, may he'll be interested to know his presentation was
> listened to :-) Bruno, the beginning of the conversation is here:
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2010-September/032164.html

Thanks ! And really happy to see that some words of what I said are
indeed useful ;-)

Best regards,
Bruno.
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Re: latest MTD-utils

[David Woodhouse]

On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 14:51 +0100, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 15:45 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> > >>>>> "Artem" == Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com> writes:
> > 
> >  Artem> On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 18:47 -0400, twebb wrote:
> >  >> What is recommended for one who wants the latest, stable version of
> >  >> mtd-utils.  On http://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git, the latest tag
> >  >> is v1.3.1 but that is 8 months old.  Should I get the HEAD or
> >  >> something else?
> > 
> >  Artem> Tagged v1.4.0, thanks for reminder.
> > 
> > And once again - David, could we please have a tarball on
> > ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils?
> 
> :-)))
> I can do this, if David grants me the rights.

You've had write privs to /var/ftp/pub/mtd-utils on casper for as long
as I can remember.

-- 
David Woodhouse                            Open Source Technology Centre
David.Woodhouse@intel.com                              Intel Corporation

Re: latest MTD-utils

[twebb]

>
>  Artem> On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 18:47 -0400, twebb wrote:
>  >> What is recommended for one who wants the latest, stable version of
>  >> mtd-utils.  On http://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git, the latest tag
>  >> is v1.3.1 but that is 8 months old.  Should I get the HEAD or
>  >> something else?
>
>  Artem> Tagged v1.4.0, thanks for reminder.
>
> And once again - David, could we please have a tarball on
> ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/mtd-utils?
>

Am I missing something?  Isn't a tarball available at
http://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git/shortlog/refs/tags/v1.4.0 ??
 = mtd-utils-c9bdc0c.tar.gz

twebb