From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Atlant Schmidt <aschmidt@dekaresearch.com>
Cc: 'Matej Kupljen' <matej.kupljen@gmail.com>,
Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: RE: Unstable bits and JFFS2
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:01:45 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1334336505.13160.19.camel@sauron.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0A40042D85E7C84DB443060EC44B3FD3351F9CADBE@dekaexchange07.deka.local>
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On Fri, 2012-04-13 at 12:40 -0400, Atlant Schmidt wrote:
> Artem:
>
> > Yeah, thanks for correcting. Yeah, read/write-disturb may make bits
> > to become unstable, but we assume this is a slow process which will
> > gradually make more and more bits flip and ECC will take care of
> > that. So I think Matej can exclude this.
>
> Unfortunately, ECC can only fix those PEBs that
> are actually read. If one of the PEBs in your
> filesystem is being used entirely to contain
> obscure data that only gets read once in a
> blue moon (i.e., very rarely), then multiple
> read-/write-disturbs can hit accumulate in
> that PEB and when it is finally read, it may
> already contains too many errors to be
> corrected by the ECC.
>
> We've seen this exact scenario occur with the
> current UBI/UBIfs and will be implementing a
> userland "scrubbing" system to ensure that
> every PEB gets read at least once in a while
> (e.g., weekly or whatever interval seems right).
This is right, people should have a user-space app which periodically
reads all /dev/ubiX_Y. Care to send a patch against mtd-www with some
explantion of this issue and extend the unstable bits issue?
But in Matej's case I do not believe he is testing long enough to hit
this scenario. But everything is possible of course.
--
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-04-13 16:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-28 11:16 Unstable bits and JFFS2 Matej Kupljen
2012-04-02 17:12 ` Brian Norris
2012-04-04 9:17 ` Matej Kupljen
2012-04-04 10:54 ` Atlant Schmidt
2012-04-10 7:22 ` Matej Kupljen
2012-04-13 16:27 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-04-13 16:40 ` Atlant Schmidt
2012-04-13 17:01 ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2012-04-14 4:21 ` Ricard Wanderlof
2012-04-22 14:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-04-13 18:36 ` Wolfram Sang
2012-04-13 19:49 ` Artem Bityutskiy
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