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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Atlant Schmidt <aschmidt@dekaresearch.com>
Cc: 'Matej Kupljen' <matej.kupljen@gmail.com>,
	Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: RE: Unstable bits and JFFS2
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:01:45 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1334336505.13160.19.camel@sauron.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0A40042D85E7C84DB443060EC44B3FD3351F9CADBE@dekaexchange07.deka.local>

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On Fri, 2012-04-13 at 12:40 -0400, Atlant Schmidt wrote:
> Artem:
> 
> > Yeah, thanks for correcting. Yeah, read/write-disturb may make bits
> > to become unstable, but we assume this is a slow process which will
> > gradually make more and more bits flip and ECC will take care of
> > that. So I think Matej can exclude this.
> 
>   Unfortunately, ECC can only fix those PEBs that
>   are actually read. If one of the PEBs in your
>   filesystem is being used entirely to contain
>   obscure data that only gets read once in a
>   blue moon (i.e., very rarely), then multiple
>   read-/write-disturbs can hit accumulate in
>   that PEB and when it is finally read, it may
>   already contains too many errors to be
>   corrected by the ECC.
> 
>   We've seen this exact scenario occur with the
>   current UBI/UBIfs and will be implementing a
>   userland "scrubbing" system to ensure that
>   every PEB gets read at least once in a while
>   (e.g., weekly or whatever interval seems right).

This is right, people should have a user-space app which periodically
reads all /dev/ubiX_Y. Care to send a patch against mtd-www with some
explantion of this issue and extend the unstable bits issue?

But in Matej's case I do not believe he is testing long enough to hit
this scenario. But everything is possible of course.

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-13 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-28 11:16 Unstable bits and JFFS2 Matej Kupljen
2012-04-02 17:12 ` Brian Norris
2012-04-04  9:17   ` Matej Kupljen
2012-04-04 10:54     ` Atlant Schmidt
2012-04-10  7:22       ` Matej Kupljen
2012-04-13 16:27       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-04-13 16:40         ` Atlant Schmidt
2012-04-13 17:01           ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2012-04-14  4:21             ` Ricard Wanderlof
2012-04-22 14:25               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2012-04-13 18:36         ` Wolfram Sang
2012-04-13 19:49           ` Artem Bityutskiy

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