Re: [PATCH 02/12] mtd: remove museum NAND ID's support

Re: [PATCH 02/12] mtd: remove museum NAND ID's support

[Artem Bityutskiy]

On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 20:59 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> >From: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> >
> >It is probably OK to remove support for really old NAND chips of 8MiB or
> >smaller size. We had a separate configuration option for them:
> >CONFIG_MTD_NAND_MUSEUM_IDS, which we remove along with this patch.
> >
> >Signed-off-by: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> >---
> > drivers/mtd/nand/Kconfig    |    8 --------
> > drivers/mtd/nand/nand_ids.c |   19 -------------------
> > 2 files changed, 27 deletions(-)
> 
> Hello.
> This change break systems with these NAND-chips, for example
> these IDs is used in old DiskOnChip devices.

Do you have one of those and use them with modern kernels ? Which one is
that?

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Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy

Re[2]: [PATCH 02/12] mtd: remove museum NAND ID's support

[Alexander Shiyan]

> On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 20:59 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > >From: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > >
> > >It is probably OK to remove support for really old NAND chips of 8MiB or
> > >smaller size. We had a separate configuration option for them:
> > >CONFIG_MTD_NAND_MUSEUM_IDS, which we remove along with this patch.
> > >
> > >Signed-off-by: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > >---
> > > drivers/mtd/nand/Kconfig    |    8 --------
> > > drivers/mtd/nand/nand_ids.c |   19 -------------------
> > > 2 files changed, 27 deletions(-)
> > 
> > Hello.
> > This change break systems with these NAND-chips, for example
> > these IDs is used in old DiskOnChip devices.
> 
> Do you have one of those and use them with modern kernels ? Which one is
> that?

Yes. ID used in the MD2800-D08. I specifically included a configuration option
to support this chip ;) Unfortunately, I can not say the exact device ID now because
all of such devices sent in production, and I have no more now.
Of course, these devices are not in production at the moment, but they are still
being sold.

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Re: Re[2]: [PATCH 02/12] mtd: remove museum NAND ID's support

[Artem Bityutskiy]

On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 12:32 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 20:59 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > > >From: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > > >
> > > >It is probably OK to remove support for really old NAND chips of 8MiB or
> > > >smaller size. We had a separate configuration option for them:
> > > >CONFIG_MTD_NAND_MUSEUM_IDS, which we remove along with this patch.
> > > >
> > > >Signed-off-by: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > > >---
> > > > drivers/mtd/nand/Kconfig    |    8 --------
> > > > drivers/mtd/nand/nand_ids.c |   19 -------------------
> > > > 2 files changed, 27 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > Hello.
> > > This change break systems with these NAND-chips, for example
> > > these IDs is used in old DiskOnChip devices.
> > 
> > Do you have one of those and use them with modern kernels ? Which one is
> > that?
> 
> Yes. ID used in the MD2800-D08. I specifically included a configuration option
> to support this chip ;) Unfortunately, I can not say the exact device ID now because
> all of such devices sent in production, and I have no more now.
> Of course, these devices are not in production at the moment, but they are still
> being sold.

OK, probably we can cut on 4MiB boundary then? I mean kill support for
4MiB NANDs and less?

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy

Re: Re[2]: [PATCH 02/12] mtd: remove museum NAND ID's support

[Artem Bityutskiy]

On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 12:32 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 20:59 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > > >From: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > > >
> > > >It is probably OK to remove support for really old NAND chips of 8MiB or
> > > >smaller size. We had a separate configuration option for them:
> > > >CONFIG_MTD_NAND_MUSEUM_IDS, which we remove along with this patch.
> > > >
> > > >Signed-off-by: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > > >---
> > > > drivers/mtd/nand/Kconfig    |    8 --------
> > > > drivers/mtd/nand/nand_ids.c |   19 -------------------
> > > > 2 files changed, 27 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > Hello.
> > > This change break systems with these NAND-chips, for example
> > > these IDs is used in old DiskOnChip devices.
> > 
> > Do you have one of those and use them with modern kernels ? Which one is
> > that?
> 
> Yes. ID used in the MD2800-D08. I specifically included a configuration option
> to support this chip ;) Unfortunately, I can not say the exact device ID now because
> all of such devices sent in production, and I have no more now.
> Of course, these devices are not in production at the moment, but they are still
> being sold.

Or probably, we can kill NANDs with 256 byte page - they are really from
the stone age, while the 512 bytes ones are at least from the copper
age.

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy

Re[4]: [PATCH 02/12] mtd: remove museum NAND ID's support

[Alexander Shiyan]

> On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 12:32 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 20:59 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > > > >From: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >It is probably OK to remove support for really old NAND chips of 8MiB or
> > > > >smaller size. We had a separate configuration option for them:
> > > > >CONFIG_MTD_NAND_MUSEUM_IDS, which we remove along with this patch.
> > > > >
> > > > >Signed-off-by: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > > > >---
> > > > > drivers/mtd/nand/Kconfig    |    8 --------
> > > > > drivers/mtd/nand/nand_ids.c |   19 -------------------
> > > > > 2 files changed, 27 deletions(-)
> > > > 
> > > > Hello.
> > > > This change break systems with these NAND-chips, for example
> > > > these IDs is used in old DiskOnChip devices.
> > > 
> > > Do you have one of those and use them with modern kernels ? Which one is
> > > that?
> > 
> > Yes. ID used in the MD2800-D08. I specifically included a configuration option
> > to support this chip ;) Unfortunately, I can not say the exact device ID now because
> > all of such devices sent in production, and I have no more now.
> > Of course, these devices are not in production at the moment, but they are still
> > being sold.
> 
> OK, probably we can cut on 4MiB boundary then? I mean kill support for
> 4MiB NANDs and less?

At least for me it is OK.
Diskonchip devices is started from 8MB. I never seen chips less than 8MB same as Brian.

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Re[4]: [PATCH 02/12] mtd: remove museum NAND ID's support

[Alexander Shiyan]

> On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 12:32 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 20:59 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > > > >From: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >It is probably OK to remove support for really old NAND chips of 8MiB or
> > > > >smaller size. We had a separate configuration option for them:
> > > > >CONFIG_MTD_NAND_MUSEUM_IDS, which we remove along with this patch.
> > > > >
> > > > >Signed-off-by: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > > > >---
> > > > > drivers/mtd/nand/Kconfig    |    8 --------
> > > > > drivers/mtd/nand/nand_ids.c |   19 -------------------
> > > > > 2 files changed, 27 deletions(-)
> > > > 
> > > > Hello.
> > > > This change break systems with these NAND-chips, for example
> > > > these IDs is used in old DiskOnChip devices.
> > > 
> > > Do you have one of those and use them with modern kernels ? Which one is
> > > that?
> > 
> > Yes. ID used in the MD2800-D08. I specifically included a configuration option
> > to support this chip ;) Unfortunately, I can not say the exact device ID now because
> > all of such devices sent in production, and I have no more now.
> > Of course, these devices are not in production at the moment, but they are still
> > being sold.
> 
> Or probably, we can kill NANDs with 256 byte page - they are really from
> the stone age, while the 512 bytes ones are at least from the copper
> age.

Hehe :)
But, i suggest keep these definitions in the comments.

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Re: Re[4]: [PATCH 02/12] mtd: remove museum NAND ID's support

[Artem Bityutskiy]

On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 12:50 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-03-05 at 12:32 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2013-03-04 at 20:59 +0400, Alexander Shiyan wrote:
> > > > > >From: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >It is probably OK to remove support for really old NAND chips of 8MiB or
> > > > > >smaller size. We had a separate configuration option for them:
> > > > > >CONFIG_MTD_NAND_MUSEUM_IDS, which we remove along with this patch.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Signed-off-by: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy at linux.intel.com>
> > > > > >---
> > > > > > drivers/mtd/nand/Kconfig    |    8 --------
> > > > > > drivers/mtd/nand/nand_ids.c |   19 -------------------
> > > > > > 2 files changed, 27 deletions(-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hello.
> > > > > This change break systems with these NAND-chips, for example
> > > > > these IDs is used in old DiskOnChip devices.
> > > > 
> > > > Do you have one of those and use them with modern kernels ? Which one is
> > > > that?
> > > 
> > > Yes. ID used in the MD2800-D08. I specifically included a configuration option
> > > to support this chip ;) Unfortunately, I can not say the exact device ID now because
> > > all of such devices sent in production, and I have no more now.
> > > Of course, these devices are not in production at the moment, but they are still
> > > being sold.
> > 
> > Or probably, we can kill NANDs with 256 byte page - they are really from
> > the stone age, while the 512 bytes ones are at least from the copper
> > age.
> 
> Hehe :)
> But, i suggest keep these definitions in the comments.

I want to go even further and just kill 256-bytes NAND p ages support
altogether, as I believe this is completely useless. Being in linux MTD
since 2005, I've never seen anyone using those.

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy