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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Ezequiel Garcia <ezequiel@vanguardiasur.com.ar>,
	Benson Young <benson6877@gmail.com>,
	"linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org" <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	David Gstir <david@sigma-star.at>
Subject: Re: ubiblock RW
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 09:56:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1459148213.19765.14.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56F85851.5020508@nod.at>

On Mon, 2016-03-28 at 00:01 +0200, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> Am 26.03.2016 um 07:01 schrieb Willy Tarreau:
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:25:17PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> > > 
> > > Am 25.03.2016 um 21:50 schrieb Ezequiel Garcia:
> > > > 
> > > > I guess we could have some UBI parameter to enable this
> > > > support,
> > > > and print a very noisy message to warn users about potential
> > > > device wear out -- naively assuming users read messages...
> > > As I wrote in my previous mail, I think a new parameter for the
> > > ubiblock
> > > tool would do the job.
> > > I'd default ubiblock to RO and via the ubiblock tool you can
> > > enable RW mode.
> > > ...which would also trigger a warning.
> > > 
> > > What I'd like to avoid is a kernel command line or a Kconfig
> > > option to make
> > > RW default. If someone *really* wants RW she has to run ubiblock
> > > --enable-rw....
> > > in userspace. This should even work for block filesystems on top
> > > of UBI
> > > as root fs as you can remount them later RW.
> > > 
> > > Sounds like a plan?
> > I would see something a little bit better (from a user
> > perspective), though
> > I don't know if it's possible. It would be nice to mark the UBI
> > image RO/RW
> > when it is created via ubiformat. That would be a bit stored on the
> > ubiblock
> > itself. That way the decision is taken at creation time and is not
> > changed
> > later (or only using a specific tool). Note that it is very
> > possible I'm
> > missing something important, but you get the idea.
> ubiblock is just a layer above an UBI volumes.
> We could add a new UBI volume flag for RW ubiblock.

You can add a per-volume R/O flag if needed, yes. Expose it to user-
space. This may be a useful thing irrespectively. I am not sure how it
helps with ubiblock though.

Ideally, the ubiblock R/W enabled flag should be stored in ubiblock,
not in UBI, not in MTD, because you want ubiblock to have full control
over it. You do not want a user go and change the flag via the UBI
interface whenever the user feels like, right?

To have this kind of flag in ubiblock, it needs an on-flash superblock
or something. If you are not going to introduce it, which I believe is
the case, then the only option left in my opinion is a ubiblock module
parameter.

If I am a ubiblock user who needs the write support, and this naive
write support is good enough for me, I want it enabled by default on my
product. A module parameter with a sound name like 'dangerous-write-
support' or something would work fine for me.

Artem.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-28  6:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CABJ+KKu2RJuHXE3LpmzSYtE0i57sHDUHWOxPxufCP94RTa=eBA@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-24 14:23 ` ubiblock RW Ezequiel Garcia
2016-03-24 20:38   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-03-24 21:26     ` Ezequiel Garcia
2016-03-24 21:39       ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-25 20:28         ` Richard Weinberger
2016-03-25 11:51       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2016-03-25 20:50         ` Ezequiel Garcia
2016-03-25 20:51           ` Ezequiel Garcia
2016-03-25 21:25           ` Richard Weinberger
2016-03-26  6:01             ` Willy Tarreau
2016-03-27 22:01               ` Richard Weinberger
2016-03-28  6:56                 ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2016-03-28  8:17                   ` Willy Tarreau

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