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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: Kuan-Wei Chiu <visitorckw@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 chengzhihao1 <chengzhihao1@huawei.com>,
	 jserv <jserv@ccns.ncku.edu.tw>,
	eleanor15x <eleanor15x@gmail.com>,
	 marscheng <marscheng@google.com>,
	 linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	 linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] lib/list_sort: introduce list_sort_nonatomic() and remove dummy cmp() calls
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2026 22:49:16 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1993407938.46075.1773697756582.JavaMail.zimbra@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abhGF65wCbI7CsTm@google.com>

----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> Von: "Kuan-Wei Chiu" <visitorckw@gmail.com>
>> > However, an audit of the kernel tree reveals that only fs/ubifs/ relies
>> > on this mechanism. For the vast majority of list_sort() users (such as
>> > block layer IO schedulers and file systems), this results in completely
>> > wasted function calls. In the worst-case scenario (merging an already
>> > sorted list where 'a' is exhausted quickly), this results in
>> > approximately (N/2)/256 unnecessary cmp() calls.
>> 
>> Why isn't this a problem for other users of list_sort()?
>> Are the lists they sort guaranteed to be short?
>> 
>> Or did nobody test hard enough on slow machines without preempt? ;-)
> 
> TBH, I don't really have a clear answer to that.
> 
> I tried to dig into the history. It turns out this mechanism was
> introduced 16 years ago in commit 835cc0c8477f ("lib: more scalable
> list_sort()"). The commit message explicitly mentioned both XFS and
> UBIFS as the intended users for this long-list workaround. However,
> looking at the tree back then, XFS never actually put a cond_resched()
> in their cmp() function. It seems UBIFS has been the sole user of this
> trick ever since. Given that it has been this way for 16 years, it
> seems other subsystems haven't really encountered any practical issues
> with it.

Traditionally both UBI and UBIFS use cond_resched() heavily, my best guess
is because their mostly used on tiny embedded systems where soft lockups
are more likely.

> For UBIFS, this patch doesn't alter the frequency, timing, or behavior
> of the cond_resched() calls at all, so I am confident that this won't
> introduce any regressions.

Sure. I just want to make sure I understand why UBIFS need special
treatment.

Thanks,
//richard

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Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-15 19:39 [PATCH] lib/list_sort: introduce list_sort_nonatomic() and remove dummy cmp() calls Kuan-Wei Chiu
2026-03-16  7:25 ` Richard Weinberger
2026-03-16 18:04   ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2026-03-16 21:49     ` Richard Weinberger [this message]
2026-03-17 14:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-03-17 14:38       ` Richard Weinberger
2026-03-17 14:40         ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-03-17 16:08           ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2026-03-17  4:05 ` Zhihao Cheng
2026-03-17 12:32   ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2026-03-17 13:22     ` Zhihao Cheng
2026-03-17 14:15       ` Kuan-Wei Chiu

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