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From: Hamish Moffatt <hamish@cloud.net.au>
To: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@infradead.org>
Cc: dwmw2@infradead.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	Alexey Korolev <akorolev@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][patch] NAND partial page read functionality
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:45:26 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080424074526.GA21709@cloud.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1209018876.11721.100.camel@sauron>

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 09:34:36AM +0300, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 18:15 +0000, Alexey Korolev wrote:
> > Hi 
> > 
> > Here is a patch providing partial page read functionality for NAND
> > devices. 
> > 
> > In many cases it gives performacne boost. I've added this feature
> > enabling under chip->options flag. 
> > Setting NAND_PART_READ option in board driver will enable this feature.
> 
> Hamish, this stuff should certainly help you. You could give it a try.
> Unfortunately Alexey gave up almost straight away and did not try to
> push his work harder.The arguments against the patch were weak, and
> addressable. This work needs some more efforts and it may get merged.
> Moreover, Alexey came with impressive numbers, and it is difficult to
> argue against. Would you give it a try? If it gives performance benefits
> for you, I think we could raise this again.
> 
> Look here for the full story: 
> http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2007-December/020105.html

I reviewed the discussion. 

Firstly it was suggested to talk about sub-page reads rather than
partial reads. I don't think this is quite correct. Unlike writes, the
chip does not care which part of the page you read - you can skip to any
column address within the page. In nand_base it is in 256-byte
increments because that is the software-ECC step size.

The rest of the discussion was about improved use of sub-page writes.
I'm sure that would be useful but it's not strictly relevant to the
partial read patch.

Also Alexey said:
> Setting NAND_PART_READ option in board driver will enable this
> feature.

which is not true, as nand_base.c masks out chip-options (like this)
inherited from the board driver. It must be set for the chip in
nand_ids.c instead.

Artem, were you able to try the patch on the OLPC with hardware ECC, as
you hinted in the original discussion?

Also I reverted your recent patch to combine the EC + VID header reads
in the UBI scan for this test. I think with partial reads it may make 
things slower, because it will force 2K to be read (or 576 bytes if the 
ALIGN() is removed, still more than 64 + 64). Because min_io_size = 2K
is not really accurate I guess.

Hamish
-- 
Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <hamish@debian.org> <hamish@cloud.net.au>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-24  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-13 18:15 [RFC][patch] NAND partial page read functionality Alexey Korolev
2007-12-15 12:13 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-12-17 15:46   ` Alexey Korolev
2007-12-18  8:48     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-12-18 11:42       ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-18 12:57         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-12-18 13:51           ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-24  6:34 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-24  7:11   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-24  7:45   ` Hamish Moffatt [this message]
2008-04-24  9:53     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-24 10:25     ` Alexey Korolev
2008-04-24 10:45       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-24 10:57         ` Alexey Korolev
2008-04-24 14:04       ` Hamish Moffatt
2008-04-24 14:48         ` Alexey Korolev

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