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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net>
Cc: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Koskinen Aaro \(Nokia-D/Helsinki\)" <aaro.koskinen@nokia.com>,
	linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:09:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091012120951.GA16799@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091012140149.6789efab@marrow.netinsight.se>


* Simon Kagstrom <simon.kagstrom@netinsight.net> wrote:

> (Risking that Artem also replies, I'll bite on this one! Let's hope we
> agree at least :-))
> 
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:37:58 +0200
> Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> 
> > > -       if (mtd->panic_write && in_interrupt())
> > > +       if (mtd->panic_write && (in_interrupt() || panic_on_oops))
> > >                 /* Interrupt context, we're going to panic so try and log */
> > >                 mtdoops_write(cxt, 1);
> > 
> > Hm, the code seems to be somewhat confused about this. It tries to guess 
> > when it's panic-ing, right? in_interrupt() is the wrong test for that.
> 
> Well, the main reason is to get the write done directly if we know 
> we're going to crash. The rest of the code around the patch looks like 
> this:
> 
>          if (mtd->panic_write && (in_interrupt() || panic_on_oops))
>                  /* Interrupt context, we're going to panic so try and log */
>                  mtdoops_write(cxt, 1);
>          else
>                  schedule_work(&cxt->work_write);
> 
> so if we're oopsing in interrupt context or are going to panic, we 
> just write directly. mtdoops_write will then use mtd->panic_write if 
> it's available to get the write done immediately without sleeping.

but i'm not sure that code achieves your intention.

in_interrupt() is a generic test. It will be true whenever you printk in 
irq context - be that a panic or not a panic.

Also, the panic_on_oops usage looks wrong as well: it is set on a system 
that wants a panic on oops - but the flag will be set all the time, even 
when we are not oopsing.

I suppose the intention is to add a logic like this:

 - buffer writes to the MTD async writeout thread for regular printks

 - if we are in some sort of emergency, write to the MTD device directly 
   as we cannot buffer anymore.

Correct?

> [...]
>
> To handle the panic case, I've simply added a panic notifier which 
> does
> 
>   static int mtdoops_panic(struct notifier_block *this, unsigned long event,
> 		void *ptr)
>   {
> 	struct mtdoops_context *cxt = &oops_cxt;
> 
> 	cancel_work_sync(&cxt->work_write);
> 	cxt->ready = 0;
> 	if (cxt->mtd->panic_write)
> 		mtdoops_write(cxt, 1);
> 	else
> 		printk(KERN_WARNING "mtdoops: panic_write is not defined, "
> 					"cannot store dump from panic\n");
> 
> 	return NOTIFY_DONE;
>   }
> 
> So with this one, the exported panic_on_oops is no longer needed, and 
> normal oopses are handled by the scheduled work while panic_on_oopses 
> are handled by the panic handler.

Yes, that looks like the better direction - but 'panic' is still the 
wrong trigger condition i think. We generally just crash and dont panic. 
Often we'll display a kernel warning and then hang. Etc.

Also, would it be possible to just simplify the thing and not do any 
buffering at all? Extra buffering complexity in a console driver is only 
asking for trouble. Or is flash storage write cycles optimization that 
important in this case?

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-12 12:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-11  6:10 [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 11:23   ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 11:25   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 11:37     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:01       ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:09         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-10-12 12:15           ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:20             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:33               ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 12:36                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 12:48                   ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 13:06               ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 13:15                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:39                   ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 14:30                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:01                       ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 15:23                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 15:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 15:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:29                         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-12 17:43                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 17:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 18:09                       ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:23                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:36                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-10-12 18:45                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-12 19:14                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 19:18                             ` Dirk Hohndel
2009-10-13  7:58                             ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13  8:57                               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-10-13 13:17                             ` [PATCH/RFC v5 0/5]: mtdoops: fixes and improvements Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:21                               ` [PATCH/RFC v5 1/5]: mtdoops: avoid erasing already empty areas Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22                               ` [PATCH/RFC v5 2/5]: mtdoops: Keep track of used/unused mtdoops pages in an array Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22                               ` [PATCH/RFC v5 3/5]: mtdoops: Make page (record) size configurable Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22                               ` [PATCH/RFC v5 4/5]: core: Add dump device to call on oopses and panics Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 15:37                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-26  9:36                                 ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30  7:27                                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30  7:46                                     ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30  8:51                                       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30  9:35                                         ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30  9:40                                           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30  9:53                                             ` Simon Kagstrom
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2009-11-30 12:03                                                     ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-11-30  9:54                                             ` Jörn Engel
2009-11-30 10:23                                         ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30 10:27                                           ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-30  9:09                                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-11-30  9:28                                     ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-13 13:22                               ` [PATCH/RFC v5 5/5]: mtdoops: refactor as a dump_device Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:34                             ` [PATCH v6 0/5]: mtdoops: fixes and improvements Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:40                               ` [PATCH v6 1/5]: mtdoops: avoid erasing already empty areas Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41                               ` [PATCH v6 2/5]: mtdoops: Keep track of used/unused mtdoops pages in an array Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41                               ` [PATCH v6 3/5]: mtdoops: Make page (record) size configurable Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 13:41                               ` [PATCH v6 4/5]: core: Add kernel message dumper to call on oopses and panics Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 16:49                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 13:41                               ` [PATCH v6 5/5]: mtdoops: refactor as a kmsg_dumper Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-14 15:12                                 ` Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-15  5:11                                   ` vimal singh
2009-10-12 12:27           ` [PATCH] panic.c: export panic_on_oops Simon Kagstrom
2009-10-12 12:32             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:08               ` Alan Cox
2009-10-12 13:25                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 13:32                   ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 14:26                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:36                       ` David Woodhouse
2009-10-12 15:14                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 18:32                           ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2009-10-12 19:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-10-12 14:12       ` Arjan van de Ven

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