From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from down.free-electrons.com ([37.187.137.238] helo=mail.free-electrons.com) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1YfRXx-0008Um-0p for linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 11:19:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 13:19:28 +0200 From: Boris Brezillon To: Andrea Scian Subject: Re: [MLC NAND]: data pattern sensivity Message-ID: <20150407131928.350ee827@bbrezillon> In-Reply-To: <5523B1EE.1050906@dave-tech.it> References: <551E615D.3090804@dave-tech.it> <0D23F1ECC880A74392D56535BCADD7356B6D0F17@NTXBOIMBX03.micron.com> <5523B1EE.1050906@dave-tech.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Jeff Lauruhn \(jlauruhn\)" , mtd_mailinglist List-Id: Linux MTD discussion mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, On Tue, 07 Apr 2015 12:31:10 +0200 Andrea Scian wrote: > Il 03/04/2015 19:20, Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn) ha scritto: > > I'm always glad to help out. I'm not sure I quite understand the meaning of "data pattern sensivity", but when I read it seem related to ECC code word size and Cyclicdesign.com is a good resource and in particular http://cyclicdesign.com/whitepapers/Cyclic_Design_NAND_ECC.pdf. > > Thanks for pointing out the whitepaper I haven't read this paper yet, but according to the title I doubt it is related to the "repeated/systematic data pattern" issue. > > > If I'm off track let me know and I will keep looking. > > I don't really know, but, IIUC, is something related to NAND technology > and its impact is dependent from the specific MLC implementation. > For sure Boris can help us in have a better understanding of this issue :-) Actually this problem was mentioned in the Micron document I pointed out in a previous thread ([1] page 14). I also found a paper describing the benefit of data scrambling on MLC chips [2]. Best Regards, Boris [1]http://www.bswd.com/FMS09/FMS09-T2A-Grunzke.pdf [2]http://soc.yonsei.ac.kr/Abstract/International_journal/pdf/106_Data%20Randomization%20Scheme%20for%20Endurance%20Enhancement%20and%20Interference%20Mitigation%20of%20Multilevel%20Flash%20Memory%20Devices.pdf -- Boris Brezillon, Free Electrons Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering http://free-electrons.com