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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.cz>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, Borislav Petkov <bp@suse.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna.schumaker@netapp.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 09/18] kthread: Make it easier to correctly sleep in iterant kthreads
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2015 17:25:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150609152526.GB9409@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1433763595.1495.35.camel@twins>

On Mon 2015-06-08 13:39:55, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-06-08 at 12:01 +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> 
> > Just to be sure. Do you suggest to use TASK_IDLE everywhere in
> > kthreads or only when the uninterruptible sleep is really needed?
>
> Always, only use INTERRUPTIBLE when you're actually interruptible, that
> is you want signals or such muck to terminate your wait.

I like that TASK_IDLE clearly describes that the state of the task.
I am just curious. Is there any particular advantage of using
uninterruptible sleep over the interruptible one, please?

I ask because making freezable kthreads is quite tricky. You need to
call try_to_freeze() after each schedule or call freezable_* variants
of schedule(). I think that it is easy to make a mistake. I wonder if
it might be more elegant to use interruptible sleep whenever possible,
send the fake signal also to kthreads and force them moving into some
location where the freeze is safe and handled.


> > IMHO, we should not use TASK_IDLE in freezable kthreads because
> > it would break freezing.
> 
> How so? The task is IDLE, its not doing anything.

Well, it might cause the freeze. I have just double checked this
with ubi_thread(). It calls set_freezable().

I did the following change:

diff --git a/drivers/mtd/ubi/wl.c b/drivers/mtd/ubi/wl.c
index 16214d3d57a4..d528fa5e93ba 100644
--- a/drivers/mtd/ubi/wl.c
+++ b/drivers/mtd/ubi/wl.c
@@ -1428,7 +1428,7 @@ int ubi_thread(void *u)
                spin_lock(&ubi->wl_lock);
                if (list_empty(&ubi->works) || ubi->ro_mode ||
                    !ubi->thread_enabled || ubi_dbg_is_bgt_disabled(ubi)) {
-                       set_current_state(TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE);
+                       set_current_state(TASK_IDLE);
                        spin_unlock(&ubi->wl_lock);
                        schedule();
                        continue;


  enabled this stuff:

$> grep UBI .config
CONFIG_TCP_CONG_CUBIC=y
CONFIG_DEFAULT_CUBIC=y
CONFIG_MTD_UBI=y
CONFIG_MTD_UBI_WL_THRESHOLD=4096
CONFIG_MTD_UBI_BEB_LIMIT=20
# CONFIG_MTD_UBI_FASTMAP is not set
CONFIG_MTD_UBI_GLUEBI=y
CONFIG_MTD_UBI_BLOCK=y
# CONFIG_JFFS2_RUBIN is not set
CONFIG_UBIFS_FS=y
# CONFIG_UBIFS_FS_ADVANCED_COMPR is not set
CONFIG_UBIFS_FS_LZO=y
CONFIG_UBIFS_FS_ZLIB=y
# CONFIG_CRYPTO_ANUBIS is not set

  called on the running system:

$> ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -m 0

  to launch "ubi_bgt0d"

  and it started to block freezer:

$> echo freezer >/sys/power/pm_test
$> echo reboot >/sys/power/disk
$> echo disk >/sys/power/state
-bash: echo: write error: Device or resource busy

$dmesg
[  658.874518] Freezing of tasks failed after 20.008 seconds (1 tasks refusing to freeze, wq_busy=0):
[  658.874527] ubi_bgt0d       D ffff880136e2be38     0  3107      2 0x00000000
[  658.874530]  ffff880136e2be38 ffff88013a456410 ffff880133808210 ffff8800b3f5cd00
[  658.874532]  ffff880136e2c000 ffff880133808210 ffff8800ba1fd15c ffff8800ba1fd1d8
[  658.874533]  ffff8800ba1fd1fc ffff880136e2be58 ffffffff81905737 ffff8800ba1fd15c
[  658.874535] Call Trace:
[  658.874540]  [<ffffffff81905737>] schedule+0x37/0x90
[  658.874543]  [<ffffffff816b3065>] ubi_thread+0xd5/0x1f0
[  658.874545]  [<ffffffff816b2f90>] ? ubi_wl_flush+0x1f0/0x1f0
[  658.874547]  [<ffffffff81085219>] kthread+0xc9/0xe0
[  658.874549]  [<ffffffff81085150>] ? kthread_create_on_node+0x180/0x180
[  658.874551]  [<ffffffff81909962>] ret_from_fork+0x42/0x70
[  658.874552]  [<ffffffff81085150>] ? kthread_create_on_node+0x180/0x180

[  658.874554] Restarting kernel threads ... done.
[  658.892995] PM: Basic memory bitmaps freed
[  658.892999] Restarting tasks ... done.


  It is because freeze_task() tries to wake up inly kthreads in
  interruptible state. I does:

		wake_up_state(p, TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE);


Solutions would be to try in freeze_task() also

		wake_up_state(p, TASK_IDLE);

or use in ubi_thread()

		freezable_schedule()

or always ignore freezing when the task sets TASK_IDLE.


> >  Well, we could freezable_schedule() but only
> > on locations where it is safe to get freezed. Anyway, we need to
> > be careful here.
> 
> Bah, you made me look at the freezer code, karma reduction for you.

I feel like it has happened.


> And this is the arch typical freeze point if ever there was one, you're
> checking kthread_stop, if we can terminate the kthread, we can certainly
> get frozen.

It makes sense. The tasks should be in some sane state when it goes
into the idle state. I hope that people will not misuse it too much.

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-09 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-05 15:00 [RFC PATCH 00/18] kthreads/signal: Safer kthread API and signal handling Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 01/18] kthread: Allow to call __kthread_create_on_node() with va_list args Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 02/18] kthread: Add API for iterant kthreads Petr Mladek
2015-06-09  6:23   ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-15 12:46     ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 03/18] kthread: Add kthread_stop_current() Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 04/18] signal: Rename kernel_sigaction() to kthread_sigaction() and clean it up Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 05/18] freezer/scheduler: Add freezable_cond_resched() Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 06/18] signal/kthread: Initial implementation of kthread signal handling Petr Mladek
2015-06-06 21:58   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-08 13:51     ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-08 21:13       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-15 13:13         ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-15 19:14           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-16  7:54             ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-09  7:10   ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-09 12:15     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-10  3:13       ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 07/18] kthread: Make iterant kthreads freezable by default Petr Mladek
2015-06-09  7:20   ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-09 15:53     ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-10  4:31       ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-12 13:24         ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-13 23:22           ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-15  9:28             ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 08/18] kthread: Allow to get struct kthread_iterant from task_struct Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 09/18] kthread: Make it easier to correctly sleep in iterant kthreads Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 16:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-08 10:01     ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-08 11:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09 15:25         ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2015-06-10  9:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09  7:32       ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-08 17:48     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-06-10  9:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-10 14:07         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-06-11  4:28           ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 10/18] jffs2: Remove forward definition of jffs2_garbage_collect_thread() Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 11/18] jffs2: Convert jffs2_gcd_mtd kthread into the iterant API Petr Mladek
2015-06-06 21:16   ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-06 21:32     ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-06 22:30       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-06 22:44         ` Jiri Kosina
2015-06-06 22:58           ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 12/18] lockd: Convert the central lockd service to kthread_iterant API Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 13/18] ring_buffer: Use iterant kthreads API in the ring buffer benchmark Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 14/18] ring_buffer: Allow to cleanly freeze the ring buffer benchmark kthreads Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 15/18] ring_buffer: Allow to exit the ring buffer benchmark immediately Petr Mladek
2015-06-08 17:44   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-06-15 15:23     ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-15 15:33       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-06-15 15:54         ` Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 16/18] kthread: Support interruptible sleep with a timeout by iterant kthreads Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 17/18] ring_buffer: Use the new API for a sleep with a timeout in the benchmark Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 15:01 ` [RFC PATCH 18/18] jffs2: Use the new API for a sleep with a timeout Petr Mladek
2015-06-05 16:22 ` [RFC PATCH 00/18] kthreads/signal: Safer kthread API and signal handling Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-09  6:14   ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-10 10:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-06-11 22:02       ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-09  6:10 ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-09  7:58   ` Tejun Heo
2015-06-17 11:34 ` Christoph Hellwig

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