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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
To: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
Cc: "linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org" <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Kaplan <alex@nextthing.co>,
	Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	Ezequiel Garcia <ezequiel@vanguardiasur.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Raising the UBI version
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 14:43:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160622144344.07ba4d41@bbrezillon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57699356.4030802@nod.at>

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 21:19:50 +0200
Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> wrote:

> Dear MTD folks,
> 
> For the emerging MLC NAND support we need to change the UBI on-flash format.
> Of course existing UBI images will keep working and remain fully supported.
> Our approach to deal with MLC (and basically TLC) NAND is LEB consolidation.
> In this operation mode a single PEB can host multiple LEBs. In the MLC case 2,
> for TLC 3. For more details please refer to my announcement[0].
> Hosting multiple LEBs in a single PEB means that beside of a single EC header,
> a PEB will carry multiple VID headers, one for each LEB it contains.
> This change needs to be annotated in the EC header.
> 
> Both EC and VID headers have a version field. Currently it is set to 1. Our
> original plan was just raising UBI_VERSION to 2, and, of course, accept
> version 1 image as well. The first hassle was that UBI_VERSION is exported
> in /sys/class/ubi/version and libubi refuses to work if the version is not 1.
> Breaking existing userspace tools is not acceptable, so we need another
> approach.
> 
> LEB consolidation is not really a completely new UBI implementation, it is
> an addon feature. So we came up with the idea of having feature flags in
> the EC header. Maybe we need later more flags, who knows?
> 
> Boris and I sat down and came up with two possible ways to implement such
> flags:
> 
> i) Rename ->version in EC and VID headers to ->features. ->features will
>    be evaluated at attach time and UBI has to figure whether it supports
>    all request features. The field is one byte long, therefore we can encode
>    8 features.
>    As starter two features would be supported:
>       UBI_FEAT_BASE	= 1
>       UBI_FEAT_CONSO	= 2
>    That means regular UBI images on SLC would only have set UBI_FEAT_BASE and
>    nothing else. Existing UBI implementations would see ->features with
>    UBI_FEAT_BASE set as ->version = 1, so we're safe. On MLC NAND we'd set
>    UBI_FEAT_BASE and UBI_FEAT_CONSO which would be seen as ->version = 3 and
>    rejected by UBI implementations which do not support LEB consolidation.
>    To not break userspace tools /sys/class/ubi/version would be hardcoded to 1
>    and the ->features field exported in /sys/class/ubi/features and
>    /sys/class/ubi/ubiX/features_used. The features sysfs file denotes what
>    features this UBI implementation supports and features_used shows what
>    features the attached UBI image requested. If we change the UBI on-flash
>    format in a major way, UBI_FEAT_BASE would not be set.
> 
> ii) Keep ->version in EC and VID headers and use padding bytes from both headers
>     to add a new ->features field. If ->version is 1, ->features will remain 0
>     and not evaluated. If ->features should be evaluated, ->version will be 2.
>     So, on MLC NAND ->version will be 2 and ->features has UBI_FEAT_CONSO set.
>     This approach is less complicated but we have to claim padding bytes.
>     Of course we also have to hardcode /sys/class/ubi/version to 1 too and having
>     a features file in sysfs.

Why do we need to hardcode /sys/class/ubi/version to 1? We just need to
update the mtd-utils to support version 2. Am I missing something?

> 
> That said, we'd keep ->version and ->features between EC and VID headers in
> sync. Supporting different versions of EC and VID headers at the same time
> would complicate the code a lot.
> 
> Another thing to think about is storing the number of LEBs a PEB can contain
> in the EC header. Usually this would be determined at runtime but maybe it
> makes sense to store it also on-flash to detect misconfiguration,
> like we do already for VID offset in the EC header.
> 
> What do you think? I'm happy with either i) or ii), the biggest concern we have
> is that we cut something into stone and break stuff or make trouble unavoidable.
> 
> Thanks,
> //richard
> 
> [0] http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2016-April/067322.html

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-22 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-21 19:19 [RFC] Raising the UBI version Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 12:43 ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
2016-06-22 13:09   ` Michal Suchanek
2016-06-22 13:17     ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 13:24       ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 13:54   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 14:01     ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 14:05       ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 14:13         ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 14:21           ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 14:39             ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 14:43               ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 14:52                 ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 14:59                   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 15:06                     ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 19:59                       ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 20:12                         ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 20:24                           ` Richard Weinberger

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