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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
To: Michal Suchanek <hramrach@gmail.com>
Cc: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Alexander Kaplan <alex@nextthing.co>,
	Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	"linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org" <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	Ezequiel Garcia <ezequiel@vanguardiasur.com.ar>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Raising the UBI version
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:17:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160622151732.5f448c60@bbrezillon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOMqctTAEWxzpi6T0M0GvR7L8nbCGVUY_FfpaZXADKEGGoqW5A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:09:59 +0200
Michal Suchanek <hramrach@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 22 June 2016 at 14:43, Boris Brezillon
> <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 21:19:50 +0200
> > Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> wrote:
> >  
> >> Dear MTD folks,
> >>
> >> For the emerging MLC NAND support we need to change the UBI on-flash format.
> >> Of course existing UBI images will keep working and remain fully supported.
> >> Our approach to deal with MLC (and basically TLC) NAND is LEB consolidation.
> >> In this operation mode a single PEB can host multiple LEBs. In the MLC case 2,
> >> for TLC 3. For more details please refer to my announcement[0].
> >> Hosting multiple LEBs in a single PEB means that beside of a single EC header,
> >> a PEB will carry multiple VID headers, one for each LEB it contains.
> >> This change needs to be annotated in the EC header.
> >>
> >> Both EC and VID headers have a version field. Currently it is set to 1. Our
> >> original plan was just raising UBI_VERSION to 2, and, of course, accept
> >> version 1 image as well. The first hassle was that UBI_VERSION is exported
> >> in /sys/class/ubi/version and libubi refuses to work if the version is not 1.
> >> Breaking existing userspace tools is not acceptable, so we need another
> >> approach.
> >>
> >> LEB consolidation is not really a completely new UBI implementation, it is
> >> an addon feature. So we came up with the idea of having feature flags in
> >> the EC header. Maybe we need later more flags, who knows?
> >>
> >> Boris and I sat down and came up with two possible ways to implement such
> >> flags:
> >>
> >> i) Rename ->version in EC and VID headers to ->features. ->features will
> >>    be evaluated at attach time and UBI has to figure whether it supports
> >>    all request features. The field is one byte long, therefore we can encode
> >>    8 features.
> >>    As starter two features would be supported:
> >>       UBI_FEAT_BASE   = 1
> >>       UBI_FEAT_CONSO  = 2
> >>    That means regular UBI images on SLC would only have set UBI_FEAT_BASE and
> >>    nothing else. Existing UBI implementations would see ->features with
> >>    UBI_FEAT_BASE set as ->version = 1, so we're safe. On MLC NAND we'd set
> >>    UBI_FEAT_BASE and UBI_FEAT_CONSO which would be seen as ->version = 3 and
> >>    rejected by UBI implementations which do not support LEB consolidation.
> >>    To not break userspace tools /sys/class/ubi/version would be hardcoded to 1
> >>    and the ->features field exported in /sys/class/ubi/features and
> >>    /sys/class/ubi/ubiX/features_used. The features sysfs file denotes what
> >>    features this UBI implementation supports and features_used shows what
> >>    features the attached UBI image requested. If we change the UBI on-flash
> >>    format in a major way, UBI_FEAT_BASE would not be set.
> >>
> >> ii) Keep ->version in EC and VID headers and use padding bytes from both headers
> >>     to add a new ->features field. If ->version is 1, ->features will remain 0
> >>     and not evaluated. If ->features should be evaluated, ->version will be 2.
> >>     So, on MLC NAND ->version will be 2 and ->features has UBI_FEAT_CONSO set.
> >>     This approach is less complicated but we have to claim padding bytes.
> >>     Of course we also have to hardcode /sys/class/ubi/version to 1 too and having
> >>     a features file in sysfs.  
> >
> > Why do we need to hardcode /sys/class/ubi/version to 1? We just need to
> > update the mtd-utils to support version 2. Am I missing something?  
> 
> Is some code change required in mtd-utils other than the change in
> version check?
> 
> If not why force everyone to patch their mtd-utils to support doing
> the same thing when the file reads back 2 instead of 1?

Old UBI users will keep exposing version 1. Version 2 will only be used
for those wanting to enable support for UBI consolidation, so old
mtd-utils should keep working, unless the user explicitly tried to
create a consolidated UBI image, or attached the UBI layer to an empty
partition on an MLC NAND after enabling consolidation support. That's
rather unlikely, and if it happens it's the end-user fault.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-22 13:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-21 19:19 [RFC] Raising the UBI version Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 12:43 ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 13:09   ` Michal Suchanek
2016-06-22 13:17     ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
2016-06-22 13:24       ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 13:54   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 14:01     ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 14:05       ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 14:13         ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 14:21           ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 14:39             ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 14:43               ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 14:52                 ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 14:59                   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 15:06                     ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 19:59                       ` Richard Weinberger
2016-06-22 20:12                         ` Boris Brezillon
2016-06-22 20:24                           ` Richard Weinberger

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