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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
To: Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com>
Cc: "linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org" <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Walter <dwalter@sigma-star.at>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/46] Nandsim facelift (part I of II)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2016 11:26:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161120112636.257dd8c9@bbrezillon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFLxGvyDfJ9HRcMhOxYyjAZUgsQrKcYW5c8EjYUX9j+CDkQJ=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Richard,

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:24:18 +0100
Richard Weinberger <richard.weinberger@gmail.com> wrote:

> Boris,
> 
> sorry for the late answer. I was not on CC, therefore this mail was
> unnoticed by me. :-(
> 
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Boris Brezillon
> <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com> wrote:
> > Daniel, Richard,
> >
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:43:29 +0200
> > Daniel Walter <dwalter@sigma-star.at> wrote:
> >  
> >> Changes since V1:
> >>   Incooperate feedback for nand_cleanup()
> >>   Improve commit messages  
> 
> [..-]
> 
> > I really like the new approach for 2 reasons:
> > 1/ it allows creating several NAND devs, and you can do that after the
> >    module has been loaded.
> > 2/ it fixes the partial NAND detection support by allowing one to
> >    describe its NAND in term of page size, eraseblock size, oob
> >    size, ...
> >
> > But I'm wondering if we should not create a new driver instead of
> > trying to fix the old one (I must admit I haven't been through the 46
> > patches of this series, but last time we discussed it on IRC, Richard
> > said it actually was a complete rewrite of the nandsim driver).
> >
> > Moreover, if we specify the flash layout manually, maybe we could make
> > it an mtdsim driver instead of restricting the emulation to NAND
> > devices.
> >
> > What do you think?  
> 
> I think we don't need a completely new driver. This series just adds
> functionality to nandsim without much cost, in fact we reuse also some
> bits from nandsim.
> If we add a new nandsim alike driver we basically give up the current nandsim
> and it will die a painful death. This series tries to avoid that.

Well, the whole problem with the current nandsim driver is that it
tries to do too many things. It not only tries to emulate a NAND device,
with all its constraint (bitflips, and many more), but it also tries to
register as a NAND driver with the NAND dev detection flow, and all
the convoluted page read/write logic (with/without ECC, ...).

Life (and code) would be much easier if the emulation driver was just
trying to emulate a NAND device without registering to the NAND
framework. All you'd have to do is implement your own mtd_info hooks,
without this nandsim device state burden that is required for
->cmd_ctrl() to work properly.

Of course, adding a new driver means marking the old one as deprecated
and keeping it around for some time, but that's IMHO, cleaner than
keeping a lot of code for something that we do not want to maintain.
One example is the NAND ID detection: it is a real pain, and we have
no easy solution to support ONFI chips.
If we go for a solution where the user select all the NAND properties
manually, we get rid of this complex beast, while leaving more freedom
to test some corner cases (non-powerof2 number of blocks per die for
example).

> What we can do is splitting nandsim into three files (common, old and new).

Well, it's not really about creating new files, it's more about
maintaining things that IMO are not so useful...

Regards,

Boris

      reply	other threads:[~2016-11-20 10:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-21  9:43 [PATCH v2 00/46] Nandsim facelift (part I of II) Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:43 ` [PATCH v2 01/46] mtdpart: Propagate _get/put_device() Daniel Walter
2016-09-21 10:15   ` Boris Brezillon
2016-09-28 20:16     ` Brian Norris
2016-12-14 19:24       ` Karl Beldan
2016-12-14 21:09         ` Brian Norris
2016-12-14 21:12           ` Richard Weinberger
2016-12-14 23:40             ` Brian Norris
2016-12-15  7:09           ` Karl Beldan
2016-12-15  7:51             ` Richard Weinberger
2016-12-28 18:53               ` Karl Beldan
2016-09-21  9:44 ` [PATCH v2 02/46] mtd: nand: Provide nand_cleanup() function to free NAND related resources Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:58   ` Boris Brezillon
2016-09-21 12:43   ` kbuild test robot
2016-09-21 14:25   ` Boris Brezillon
2016-09-21 14:38     ` Daniel Walter
2016-09-21 14:42       ` Boris Brezillon
2016-09-21  9:45 ` [PATCH v2 03/46] mtd: Don't unconditionally unregister reboot notifier Daniel Walter
2016-09-21 14:31   ` Boris Brezillon
2016-09-21 14:33     ` Daniel Walter
2016-10-09  5:20   ` Brian Norris
2016-09-21  9:45 ` [PATCH v2 04/46] mtd: Don't unconditionally execute remove notifiers Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 05/46] mtd: Don't print a scary message when trying to remove a busy MTD Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 06/46] mtd: nandsim: Add basic control file support Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:47 ` [PATCH v2 07/46] mtd: nandsim: Begin with removal of global state Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:47 ` [PATCH v2 08/46] mtd: nandsim: Kill global nsmtd Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:47 ` [PATCH v2 09/46] mtd: nandsim: Don't directly use module parameters Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:48 ` [PATCH v2 10/46] mtd: nandsim: Add helper functions for pointer magic Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:48 ` [PATCH v2 11/46] mtd: nandsim: Factor out nandsim parameters Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:48 ` [PATCH v2 12/46] mtd: nandsim: Make debugfs logic multi instance capable Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 13/46] mtd: nandsim: Add final logic for multiple instances Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 14/46] mtd: nandsim: Add simulator id to MTD parition name Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 15/46] mtd: nandsim: Introduce backend operations Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:49 ` [PATCH v2 16/46] mtd: nandsim: Print error when backend init failed Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:50 ` [PATCH v2 17/46] mtd: nandsim: Allow external backends Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:50 ` [PATCH v2 18/46] mtd: nandsim: Add basic support for a file backend Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:50 ` [PATCH v2 19/46] mtd: nandsim: UAPI v1 Daniel Walter
2016-11-20 10:13   ` Boris Brezillon
2016-09-21  9:51 ` [PATCH v2 20/46] mtd: nandsim: Implement preliminary constructor function Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:51 ` [PATCH v2 21/46] mtd: nandsim: Implement preliminary destructor function Daniel Walter
2016-09-21 12:56   ` kbuild test robot
2016-09-21  9:51 ` [PATCH v2 22/46] mtd: nandsim: Cleanup destroy handlers Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:51 ` [PATCH v2 23/46] mtd: nandsim: Unify file backend init logic Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:51 ` [PATCH v2 24/46] mtd: nandsim: Wire up NANDSIM_MODE_CACHEFILE ioctl mode Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:52 ` [PATCH v2 25/46] mtd: nandsim: Print backend name Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:52 ` [PATCH v2 26/46] mtd: nandsim: use the existing output macros Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:52 ` [PATCH v2 27/46] mtd: nandsim: Add no_oob mode Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:52 ` [PATCH v2 28/46] mtd: nandsim: Refine exports Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:54 ` [PATCH v2 30/46] mtd: nandsim: Use pr_ style logging Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:54 ` [PATCH v2 31/46] mtd: nandsim: Remove NS_RAW_OFFSET_OOB Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:54 ` [PATCH v2 32/46] mtd: nandsim: Remove NS_IS_INITIALIZED Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:55 ` [PATCH v2 33/46] mtd: nandsim: Relax page size restrictions Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:55 ` [PATCH v2 34/46] mtd: nandsim: Support bitflip and read error emulation in file backend Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:55 ` [PATCH v2 35/46] mtd: nandsim: Make NANDSIM_MAX_DEVICES part of uapi Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:55 ` [PATCH v2 36/46] mtd: nandsim: Cleanup constants Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:55 ` [PATCH v2 37/46] mtd: nandsim: Turn parts[] into a integer Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:56 ` [PATCH v2 38/46] mtd: nandsim: Expose partition creation logic to user space Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:56 ` [PATCH v2 39/46] mtd: nandsim: Rework init error paths Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:56 ` [PATCH v2 40/46] mtd: nandsim: Expose BBT, delays, etc.. to userspace Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:56 ` [PATCH v2 41/46] mtd: nandsim: Expose support for weakpages/blocks " Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 42/46] mtd: nandsim: Don't printk on ENOMEM Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 43/46] mtd: nandsim: Wire up NANDSIM_IOC_NEW_INSTANCE Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 44/46] mtd: nandsim: Wire up NANDSIM_IOC_DESTROY_INSTANCE Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 45/46] mtd: nandsim: Always answer all 8 bytes from NAND_CMD_READID Daniel Walter
2016-09-21  9:57 ` [PATCH v2 46/46] mtd/nandsim: Add ioctl for info Daniel Walter
2016-10-16 16:24 ` [PATCH v2 00/46] Nandsim facelift (part I of II) Boris Brezillon
2016-11-14 16:24   ` Richard Weinberger
2016-11-20 10:26     ` Boris Brezillon [this message]

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