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From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
Cc: yamada.masahiro@socionext.com, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	dwmw2@infradead.org, marek.vasut@gmail.com,
	computersforpeace@gmail.com,
	thorsten.christiansson@idquantique.com,
	laurent.monat@idquantique.com, dinguyen@kernel.org,
	artem.bityutskiy@linux.intel.com, grmoore@opensource.altera.com,
	ejo@pengutronix.de, chuanxiao.dong@intel.com,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, jaswinder.singh@linaro.org, robh@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCH v2 50/53] mtd: nand: allocate aligned buffers if NAND_OWN_BUFFERS is unset
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:17:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170328101720.GW7909@n2100.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170328095907.76d02ce9@bbrezillon>

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 09:59:07AM +0200, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> Having non-cache line aligned buffers is definitely more dangerous,
> but, AFAIU, it's not impossible.
> 
> Let's consider this case:
> 
> 
> |        cache line        |        cache line        | ... |
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> | nand_buffers size |                    data               |
> 
> 
> If you call dma_map_single(dev, data, size, DMA_TO_DEVICE), the first
> cache line will be flushed (content written back to memory), and
> assuming you don't touch nand_buffers content between dma_map_single()
> and dma_unmap_single() you shouldn't have any problem (the cache line
> cannot magically turn dirty and thus cannot be flushed in the
> background).

In the DMA_TO_DEVICE case, you're not going to be modifying the data
to be DMA'd.  The DMA certainly is not going to modify the data it's
supposed to be reading.

So, reality is that reading and writing the "data" part including the
overlapping cache line should cause no problem to the DMA activity,
even if that cache line gets written back - the part that overlaps
the DMA data should _not_ modify that data.

More of an issue is the DMA_FROM_DEVICE case...

> For the DMA_FROM_DEVICE direction, the cache line is invalidated when
> dma_unmap_single() is called, which means your nand_buffers content
> might be updated with what is present in SDRAM, but it shouldn't have
> changed since nand_buffers is only touched at initialization time (when
> the buffer is created).

This is exactly where it matters.  When mapping for DMA from the device,
we obviously have to ensure that we aren't going to have any writebacks
from the cache into the DMA area.  Since we don't know whether the
overlapping cache lines contain important data, we write those back, but
invalidate the rest of the buffer when mapping it.

Reading from those cache lines while DMA is in progress is pretty benign,
just like the DMA_TO_DEVICE case.  However, writing to those cache lines
while DMA is in progress is disasterous, because we end up with a choice:

1. if we invalidate the overlapping cache lines, we lose updates that
   the CPU has made.

2. if we write-back the overlapping cache lines, we lose updates that
   the DMA has made.

So either way, there is a data loss risk - there's no getting away from
that.  I've chosen to implement (2) in the ARM code, but either is
equally valid.  (I note in your description above that you think (1)
applies...)

The only solution to that is to avoid all writes to these cache lines
while DMA from the device is in progress.

> So, for our use case where nand_buffers is never modified between
> dma_map_single() and dma_unmap_single(), it should be safe to have
> non-cache line aligned buffers.

Correct, with the exception of what happens at unmap.

> Russell, please let me know if my reasoning is incorrect.
> Note that I'm not arguing against the new approach where we allocate
> each buffer independently using kmalloc (having cache line aligned
> buffers is definitely safer and does not imply any significant
> overhead), I just want to make sure I understand things correctly.

Cache line aligned buffers is definitely preferable, but at the arch
level it's not something that can be relied upon.  Historically, if
I'd have chosen (1) then various drivers would have broken (like SCSI
drivers DMAing sense data directly into the scsi_cmnd struct, something
that has now been resolved.)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-28 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-23  0:17 [RESEND PATCH v2 27/53] mtd: nand: denali: avoid hard-coding ecc.strength and ecc.bytes Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 28/53] mtd: nand: denali: support "nand-ecc-strength" DT property Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  8:43   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 29/53] mtd: nand: denali: remove Toshiba and Hynix specific fixup code Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 30/53] mtd: nand: denali_dt: add compatible strings for UniPhier SoC variants Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 31/53] mtd: nand: denali: set NAND_ECC_CUSTOM_PAGE_ACCESS Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 32/53] mtd: nand: denali: do not propagate NAND_STATUS_FAIL to waitfunc() Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 33/53] mtd: nand: denali: use BIT() and GENMASK() for register macros Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 34/53] mtd: nand: denali: remove unneeded find_valid_banks() Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 35/53] mtd: nand: denali: handle timing parameters by setup_data_interface() Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 36/53] mtd: nand: denali: remove meaningless pipeline read-ahead operation Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 37/53] mtd: nand: denali: rework interrupt handling Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 38/53] mtd: nand: denali: fix NAND_CMD_STATUS handling Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 39/53] mtd: nand: denali: fix NAND_CMD_PARAM handling Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 40/53] mtd: nand: do not check R/B# for CMD_READID in nand_command(_lp) Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 41/53] mtd: nand: do not check R/B# for CMD_SET_FEATURES " Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 42/53] mtd: nand: denali: switch over to cmd_ctrl instead of cmdfunc Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  8:52   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 43/53] mtd: nand: denali: fix bank reset function Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 44/53] mtd: nand: denali: use interrupt instead of polling for bank reset Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 45/53] mtd: nand: denali: propagate page to helpers via function argument Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 46/53] mtd: nand: denali: merge struct nand_buf into struct denali_nand_info Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 47/53] mtd: nand: denali: use flag instead of register macro for direction Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 48/53] mtd: nand: denali: fix raw and oob accessors for syndrome page layout Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 49/53] mtd: nand: denali: support hardware-assisted erased page detection Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 50/53] mtd: nand: allocate aligned buffers if NAND_OWN_BUFFERS is unset Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-27  8:00   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-28  1:13     ` yamada.masahiro
2017-03-28  7:59       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-28  8:07         ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-28 10:22           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-28 10:17         ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2017-03-28 12:13           ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-29  3:22         ` yamada.masahiro
2017-03-29  7:03           ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-23  0:18 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 51/53] mtd: nand: denali: skip driver internal bounce buffer when possible Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:18 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 52/53] mtd: nand: denali: use non-managed kmalloc() for DMA buffer Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23 11:33   ` Robin Murphy
2017-03-24  1:41     ` yamada.masahiro
2017-03-24 17:09       ` Robin Murphy
2017-03-23  0:18 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 53/53] mtd: nand: denali: enable bad block table scan Masahiro Yamada

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