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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: yamada.masahiro@socionext.com, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	dwmw2@infradead.org, marek.vasut@gmail.com,
	computersforpeace@gmail.com,
	thorsten.christiansson@idquantique.com,
	laurent.monat@idquantique.com, dinguyen@kernel.org,
	artem.bityutskiy@linux.intel.com, grmoore@opensource.altera.com,
	ejo@pengutronix.de, chuanxiao.dong@intel.com,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, jaswinder.singh@linaro.org, robh@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCH v2 50/53] mtd: nand: allocate aligned buffers if NAND_OWN_BUFFERS is unset
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 14:13:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170328141304.4cb681c3@bbrezillon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170328101720.GW7909@n2100.armlinux.org.uk>

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 11:17:20 +0100
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 09:59:07AM +0200, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > Having non-cache line aligned buffers is definitely more dangerous,
> > but, AFAIU, it's not impossible.
> > 
> > Let's consider this case:
> > 
> > 
> > |        cache line        |        cache line        | ... |
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > | nand_buffers size |                    data               |
> > 
> > 
> > If you call dma_map_single(dev, data, size, DMA_TO_DEVICE), the first
> > cache line will be flushed (content written back to memory), and
> > assuming you don't touch nand_buffers content between dma_map_single()
> > and dma_unmap_single() you shouldn't have any problem (the cache line
> > cannot magically turn dirty and thus cannot be flushed in the
> > background).  
> 
> In the DMA_TO_DEVICE case, you're not going to be modifying the data
> to be DMA'd.  The DMA certainly is not going to modify the data it's
> supposed to be reading.
> 
> So, reality is that reading and writing the "data" part including the
> overlapping cache line should cause no problem to the DMA activity,
> even if that cache line gets written back - the part that overlaps
> the DMA data should _not_ modify that data.
> 
> More of an issue is the DMA_FROM_DEVICE case...
> 
> > For the DMA_FROM_DEVICE direction, the cache line is invalidated when
> > dma_unmap_single() is called, which means your nand_buffers content
> > might be updated with what is present in SDRAM, but it shouldn't have
> > changed since nand_buffers is only touched at initialization time (when
> > the buffer is created).  
> 
> This is exactly where it matters.  When mapping for DMA from the device,
> we obviously have to ensure that we aren't going to have any writebacks
> from the cache into the DMA area.  Since we don't know whether the
> overlapping cache lines contain important data, we write those back, but
> invalidate the rest of the buffer when mapping it.
> 
> Reading from those cache lines while DMA is in progress is pretty benign,
> just like the DMA_TO_DEVICE case.  However, writing to those cache lines
> while DMA is in progress is disasterous, because we end up with a choice:
> 
> 1. if we invalidate the overlapping cache lines, we lose updates that
>    the CPU has made.
> 
> 2. if we write-back the overlapping cache lines, we lose updates that
>    the DMA has made.
> 
> So either way, there is a data loss risk - there's no getting away from
> that.  I've chosen to implement (2) in the ARM code, but either is
> equally valid.  (I note in your description above that you think (1)
> applies...)

Okay, got it.

> 
> The only solution to that is to avoid all writes to these cache lines
> while DMA from the device is in progress.

And we are in that case: the nand_buffers object will never be modified
between dma_map() and dma_unmap().

> 
> > So, for our use case where nand_buffers is never modified between
> > dma_map_single() and dma_unmap_single(), it should be safe to have
> > non-cache line aligned buffers.  
> 
> Correct, with the exception of what happens at unmap.

Now I'm lost again :-). Didn't you say it was safe to have overlapping
cache lines if nothing writes to these cache lines during the whole time
the buffer is DMA-mapped?
IIUC, the only case where unmap() will write-back cache lines is when
these cache entries are dirty (i.e. when they've been modified through
CPU accesses between map and unmap). Am I missing something?

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-28 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-23  0:17 [RESEND PATCH v2 27/53] mtd: nand: denali: avoid hard-coding ecc.strength and ecc.bytes Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 28/53] mtd: nand: denali: support "nand-ecc-strength" DT property Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  8:43   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 29/53] mtd: nand: denali: remove Toshiba and Hynix specific fixup code Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 30/53] mtd: nand: denali_dt: add compatible strings for UniPhier SoC variants Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 31/53] mtd: nand: denali: set NAND_ECC_CUSTOM_PAGE_ACCESS Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 32/53] mtd: nand: denali: do not propagate NAND_STATUS_FAIL to waitfunc() Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 33/53] mtd: nand: denali: use BIT() and GENMASK() for register macros Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 34/53] mtd: nand: denali: remove unneeded find_valid_banks() Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 35/53] mtd: nand: denali: handle timing parameters by setup_data_interface() Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 36/53] mtd: nand: denali: remove meaningless pipeline read-ahead operation Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 37/53] mtd: nand: denali: rework interrupt handling Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 38/53] mtd: nand: denali: fix NAND_CMD_STATUS handling Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 39/53] mtd: nand: denali: fix NAND_CMD_PARAM handling Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 40/53] mtd: nand: do not check R/B# for CMD_READID in nand_command(_lp) Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 41/53] mtd: nand: do not check R/B# for CMD_SET_FEATURES " Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 42/53] mtd: nand: denali: switch over to cmd_ctrl instead of cmdfunc Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  8:52   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 43/53] mtd: nand: denali: fix bank reset function Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 44/53] mtd: nand: denali: use interrupt instead of polling for bank reset Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 45/53] mtd: nand: denali: propagate page to helpers via function argument Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 46/53] mtd: nand: denali: merge struct nand_buf into struct denali_nand_info Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 47/53] mtd: nand: denali: use flag instead of register macro for direction Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 48/53] mtd: nand: denali: fix raw and oob accessors for syndrome page layout Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 49/53] mtd: nand: denali: support hardware-assisted erased page detection Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:17 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 50/53] mtd: nand: allocate aligned buffers if NAND_OWN_BUFFERS is unset Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-27  8:00   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-28  1:13     ` yamada.masahiro
2017-03-28  7:59       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-28  8:07         ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-28 10:22           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-28 10:17         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-28 12:13           ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
2017-03-29  3:22         ` yamada.masahiro
2017-03-29  7:03           ` Boris Brezillon
2017-03-23  0:18 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 51/53] mtd: nand: denali: skip driver internal bounce buffer when possible Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23  0:18 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 52/53] mtd: nand: denali: use non-managed kmalloc() for DMA buffer Masahiro Yamada
2017-03-23 11:33   ` Robin Murphy
2017-03-24  1:41     ` yamada.masahiro
2017-03-24 17:09       ` Robin Murphy
2017-03-23  0:18 ` [RESEND PATCH v2 53/53] mtd: nand: denali: enable bad block table scan Masahiro Yamada

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