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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Marc Gonzalez <marc_gonzalez@sigmadesigns.com>,
	Thibaud Cornic <thibaud_cornic@sigmadesigns.com>,
	linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	Mason <slash.tmp@free.fr>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tango_nand.c: fix ecc.stats_corrected in empty flash case
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 10:42:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170504104216.0969423f@bbrezillon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170503200427.GC17315@amd>

On Wed, 3 May 2017 22:04:27 +0200
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:

> Hi!
> On Mon 2017-04-24 10:58:47, Marc Gonzalez wrote:
> > [ Trimming CC list ]
> > 
> > On 22/04/2017 12:40, Pavel Machek wrote:
> >   
> > > Fix ecc.stats_corrected in empty flash case.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek <pavel@denx.de>
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > 
> > > This was suggested by Boris Brezillon in another context. Not tested;
> > > I don't have the hardware.
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/drivers/mtd/nand/tango_nand.c b/drivers/mtd/nand/tango_nand.c
> > > index 4a5e948..db4bff4 100644
> > > --- a/drivers/mtd/nand/tango_nand.c
> > > +++ b/drivers/mtd/nand/tango_nand.c
> > > @@ -193,6 +193,8 @@ static int check_erased_page(struct nand_chip *chip, u8 *buf)
> > >  						  chip->ecc.strength);
> > >  		if (res < 0)
> > >  			mtd->ecc_stats.failed++;
> > > +		else
> > > +			mtd->ecc_stats.corrected += res;
> > >  
> > >  		bitflips = max(res, bitflips);
> > >  		buf += pkt_size;
> > >   
> > 
> > Hello Pavel,
> > 
> > You may have noticed that ecc_stats.corrected is not updated in
> > decode_error_report() which is the main code path, i.e. the path
> > that will succeed 99.99% of the time (HW read).
> > 
> > It turns out that the HW does not report the number of errors
> > corrected in a page... Instead it reports two values:
> > 1) U = number of errors corrected in the first packet/step
> > 2) V = max number of errors corrected in other packets/steps
> > 
> > Thus, it is not possible to determine the actual number of errors
> > corrected in a page (unless V is 0). Otherwise, we just have an
> > interval; let n be the number of packets/steps:
> > 
> > U + V <= corrected errors count <= U + (n-1)*V
> > 
> > In my opinion, it is better to provide no information than to
> > provide incorrect information. Therefore, I did not update
> > ecc_stats.corrected in decode_error_report().  
> 
> Well... Having corrected ECC errors is pretty rare, right?

Depends on the NAND chip. On modern SLC NAND chips requiring
ECC of 8bits/512bytes are likely to have frequent bitflips.

> So one
> solution would be to re-compute ECCs in software if we see U or V >
> 0...

Hm, not sure it's worth the trouble for statistics that are anyway
rarely used, and when they are, are only used has a metric to determine
how worn the NAND is.

I'd prefer to see a better user-space interface returning the
max_bitflips information when someone reads from an MTD device (see [1])
rather than trying to fix drivers to return the exact number of
corrected bitflips (which might be impossible for some of them anyway).

[1]http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2016-April/067187.html

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-04  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-19 12:13 fsl_ifc_nand: are blank pages protected by ECC? Pavel Machek
2017-04-19 21:18 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-19 22:15   ` Pavel Machek
2017-04-19 22:27     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-20 11:40       ` Pavel Machek
2017-04-20 12:15         ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-21 10:51         ` [PATCH] nand_base: optimize checking of erased buffers Pavel Machek
2017-05-17 11:27           ` Mason
2017-05-17 11:39             ` Mason
2017-05-17 11:52             ` Pavel Machek
2017-05-17 12:22           ` [PATCH] fsl_ifc_nand: fix handing of bit flips in erased nand Pavel Machek
2017-05-17 12:32             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-17 13:00               ` Pavel Machek
2017-05-17 13:25                 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-17 20:03                   ` [PATCH] mtd: nand: fsl_ifc: fix handing of bit flips in erased pages Pavel Machek
2017-05-31 20:59                     ` [PATCHv2] " Pavel Machek
2017-05-31 22:59                       ` Darwin Dingel
2017-06-01  1:09                       ` Darwin Dingel
2017-06-01 13:12                         ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-01 13:21                           ` Boris Brezillon
2017-06-07  7:31                             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-21 10:08   ` fsl_ifc_nand: are blank pages protected by ECC? Pavel Machek
2017-04-21 10:12     ` Richard Weinberger
2017-04-21 12:04     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-21 13:37     ` Pavel Machek
2017-04-21 13:49       ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-22  7:01         ` Pavel Machek
2017-04-22 10:40         ` [PATCH] tango_nand.c: fix ecc.stats_corrected in empty flash case Pavel Machek
2017-04-24  8:58           ` Marc Gonzalez
2017-04-24  9:03             ` Pavel Machek
2017-05-02  9:42             ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-02 11:52               ` Marc Gonzalez
2017-05-02 12:20                 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-03 20:02                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-05-03 20:04             ` Pavel Machek
2017-05-04  8:42               ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
2017-05-12 15:34                 ` [PATCH] mtd: nand: tango: Update ecc_stats.corrected Marc Gonzalez
2017-05-15  8:56                   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-15 20:47                   ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-17 12:04                 ` [PATCH] tango_nand.c: fix ecc.stats_corrected in empty flash case Pavel Machek
2017-04-23  9:58         ` tango_nand: is logic right in error cases? (was Re: fsl_ifc_nand: are blank pages protected by ECC?) Pavel Machek
2017-04-24  7:12           ` Boris Brezillon

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