From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
Cc: Marc Gonzalez <marc_gonzalez@sigmadesigns.com>,
Thibaud Cornic <thibaud_cornic@sigmadesigns.com>,
linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
Mason <slash.tmp@free.fr>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tango_nand.c: fix ecc.stats_corrected in empty flash case
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:04:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170517120430.GB32246@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170504104216.0969423f@bbrezillon>
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Hi!
> > > Hello Pavel,
> > >
> > > You may have noticed that ecc_stats.corrected is not updated in
> > > decode_error_report() which is the main code path, i.e. the path
> > > that will succeed 99.99% of the time (HW read).
> > >
> > > It turns out that the HW does not report the number of errors
> > > corrected in a page... Instead it reports two values:
> > > 1) U = number of errors corrected in the first packet/step
> > > 2) V = max number of errors corrected in other packets/steps
> > >
> > > Thus, it is not possible to determine the actual number of errors
> > > corrected in a page (unless V is 0). Otherwise, we just have an
> > > interval; let n be the number of packets/steps:
> > >
> > > U + V <= corrected errors count <= U + (n-1)*V
> > >
> > > In my opinion, it is better to provide no information than to
> > > provide incorrect information. Therefore, I did not update
> > > ecc_stats.corrected in decode_error_report().
> >
> > Well... Having corrected ECC errors is pretty rare, right?
>
> Depends on the NAND chip. On modern SLC NAND chips requiring
> ECC of 8bits/512bytes are likely to have frequent bitflips.
>
> > So one
> > solution would be to re-compute ECCs in software if we see U or V >
> > 0...
>
> Hm, not sure it's worth the trouble for statistics that are anyway
> rarely used, and when they are, are only used has a metric to determine
> how worn the NAND is.
Well, knowing "how worn the NAND is" and "when to refresh the
data". Both seem to be quite important for storage system that works.
> I'd prefer to see a better user-space interface returning the
> max_bitflips information when someone reads from an MTD device (see [1])
> rather than trying to fix drivers to return the exact number of
> corrected bitflips (which might be impossible for some of them anyway).
>
> > [1]http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2016-April/067187.html
Yes, current interface leaves something to be desired...
Best regards,
Pavel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-05-17 12:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-04-19 12:13 fsl_ifc_nand: are blank pages protected by ECC? Pavel Machek
2017-04-19 21:18 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-19 22:15 ` Pavel Machek
2017-04-19 22:27 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-20 11:40 ` Pavel Machek
2017-04-20 12:15 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-21 10:51 ` [PATCH] nand_base: optimize checking of erased buffers Pavel Machek
2017-05-17 11:27 ` Mason
2017-05-17 11:39 ` Mason
2017-05-17 11:52 ` Pavel Machek
2017-05-17 12:22 ` [PATCH] fsl_ifc_nand: fix handing of bit flips in erased nand Pavel Machek
2017-05-17 12:32 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-17 13:00 ` Pavel Machek
2017-05-17 13:25 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-17 20:03 ` [PATCH] mtd: nand: fsl_ifc: fix handing of bit flips in erased pages Pavel Machek
2017-05-31 20:59 ` [PATCHv2] " Pavel Machek
2017-05-31 22:59 ` Darwin Dingel
2017-06-01 1:09 ` Darwin Dingel
2017-06-01 13:12 ` Pavel Machek
2017-06-01 13:21 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-06-07 7:31 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-21 10:08 ` fsl_ifc_nand: are blank pages protected by ECC? Pavel Machek
2017-04-21 10:12 ` Richard Weinberger
2017-04-21 12:04 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-21 13:37 ` Pavel Machek
2017-04-21 13:49 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-04-22 7:01 ` Pavel Machek
2017-04-22 10:40 ` [PATCH] tango_nand.c: fix ecc.stats_corrected in empty flash case Pavel Machek
2017-04-24 8:58 ` Marc Gonzalez
2017-04-24 9:03 ` Pavel Machek
2017-05-02 9:42 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-02 11:52 ` Marc Gonzalez
2017-05-02 12:20 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-03 20:02 ` Pavel Machek
2017-05-03 20:04 ` Pavel Machek
2017-05-04 8:42 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-12 15:34 ` [PATCH] mtd: nand: tango: Update ecc_stats.corrected Marc Gonzalez
2017-05-15 8:56 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-15 20:47 ` Boris Brezillon
2017-05-17 12:04 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2017-04-23 9:58 ` tango_nand: is logic right in error cases? (was Re: fsl_ifc_nand: are blank pages protected by ECC?) Pavel Machek
2017-04-24 7:12 ` Boris Brezillon
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