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From: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
To: Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>
Cc: linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: nand: WARNING: a0000000.nand: the ECC used on your system (1b/256B) is too weak compared to the one required by the NAND chip (4b/512B)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 08:43:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210618084326.0a074fb7@xps13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <817e89d4-790d-41a4-2a8e-9e119597e459@csgroup.eu>

Hi Christophe,

Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu> wrote on Thu, 17 Jun
2021 19:17:05 +0200:

> Hello Miquel,
> 
> I have a board running latest kernel with the following NAND:
> 
> [    1.523076] nand: device found, Manufacturer ID: 0x2c, Chip ID: 0xda
> [    1.529505] nand: Micron MT29F2G08ABAEAWP
> [    1.533526] nand: 256 MiB, SLC, erase size: 128 KiB, page size: 2048, OOB siz
> e: 64
> [    1.541196] nand: WARNING: a0000000.nand: the ECC used on your system (1b/256
> B) is too weak compared to the one required by the NAND chip (4b/512B)
> 
> Until now I was using kernel 4.14 and I was having no problem, allthough it was also exhibiting the following (less detailed) warning

Yes, I decided to give more info of what is the minimum ECC scheme that
should be used and what is the one being applied.

> [    0.591009] nand: WARNING: a0000000.nand: the ECC used on your system is too weak compared to the one required by the NAND chip
> 
> Now and then I'm using one of the latest kernels (Today is 5.13-rc6), and sometime in one of the 5.x releases, I started to get errors like:
> 
> [    5.098265] ecc_sw_hamming_correct: uncorrectable ECC error
> [    5.103859] ubi0 warning: ubi_io_read: error -74 (ECC error) while reading 60
>   bytes from PEB 99:59824, read only 60 bytes, retry
> [    5.525843] ecc_sw_hamming_correct: uncorrectable ECC error
> [    5.531571] ecc_sw_hamming_correct: uncorrectable ECC error
> [    5.537490] ubi0 warning: ubi_io_read: error -74 (ECC error) while reading 30
> 73 bytes from PEB 107:108976, read only 3073 bytes, retry
> [    5.691121] ecc_sw_hamming_correct: uncorrectable ECC error
> [    5.696709] ecc_sw_hamming_correct: uncorrectable ECC error
> [    5.702426] ecc_sw_hamming_correct: uncorrectable ECC error
> [    5.708141] ecc_sw_hamming_correct: uncorrectable ECC error
> [    5.714103] ubi0 warning: ubi_io_read: error -74 (ECC error) while reading 30
> 35 bytes from PEB 107:25144, read only 3035 bytes, retry
> [   20.523689] random: crng init done
> [   21.892130] ecc_sw_hamming_correct: uncorrectable ECC error
> [   21.897730] ubi0 warning: ubi_io_read: error -74 (ECC error) while reading 13
> 94 bytes from PEB 116:75776, read only 1394 bytes, retry
> 
> Most of the time, when the reading of the file fails, I just have to read it once more and it gets read without that error.

It really looks like a regular bitflip happening "sometimes". Is this a
board which already had a life? What are the usage counters (UBI should
tell you this) compared to the official endurance of your chip (see the
datasheet)?

> What am I supposed to do to avoid the ECC weakness warning at startup and to fix that ECC error issue ?

I honestly don't think the errors come from the 5.1x kernels given the
above logs. If you flash back your old 4.14 I am pretty sure you'll
have the same errors at some point.

NAND really is a fragile storage medium, not following in a production
environment the minimum ECC scheme (there is a real difference between
1/256 vs 4/512) really leads to complicated solutions like this one,
unfortunately...

Thanks,
Miquèl

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-18  6:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-17 17:17 nand: WARNING: a0000000.nand: the ECC used on your system (1b/256B) is too weak compared to the one required by the NAND chip (4b/512B) Christophe Leroy
2021-06-18  6:43 ` Miquel Raynal [this message]
2021-06-18 14:18   ` Christophe Leroy
2021-06-19 18:40     ` Miquel Raynal
2021-06-23  9:41       ` Christophe Leroy
2021-06-23 13:16         ` Miquel Raynal

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