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From: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>
To: Arseniy Krasnov <avkrasnov@sberdevices.ru>
Cc: Liang Yang <liang.yang@amlogic.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Vignesh Raghavendra <vigneshr@ti.com>,
	Neil Armstrong <neil.armstrong@linaro.org>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@baylibre.com>,
	Jerome Brunet <jbrunet@baylibre.com>,
	Martin Blumenstingl <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com>,
	Jianxin Pan <jianxin.pan@amlogic.com>,
	Yixun Lan <yixun.lan@amlogic.com>, <oxffffaa@gmail.com>,
	<kernel@sberdevices.ru>, <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-amlogic@lists.infradead.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"yonghui.yu" <yonghui.yu@amlogic.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 4/5] mtd: rawnand: meson: clear OOB buffer before read
Date: Tue, 2 May 2023 14:17:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230502141703.29f0bc30@xps-13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2b2f5cb4-84f7-65f6-13b2-42f965503023@sberdevices.ru>

Hi Arseniy,

Richard, your input is welcome below :-)

> >>>>>>> I just checked JFFS2 mount/umount again, here is what i see:
> >>>>>>> 0) First attempt to mount JFFS2.
> >>>>>>> 1) It writes OOB to page N (i'm using raw write). It is cleanmarker value 0x85 0x19 0x03 0x20. Mount is done.
> >>>>>>> 2) Umount JFFS2. Done.
> >>>>>>> 3) Second attempt to mount JFFS2.
> >>>>>>> 4) It reads OOB from page N (i'm using raw read). Value is 0x85 0x19 0x03 0x20. Done.
> >>>>>>> 5) It reads page N in ECC mode, and i get:
> >>>>>>>      jffs2: mtd->read(0x100 bytes from N) returned ECC error
> >>>>>>> 6) Mount failed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We already had problem which looks like this on another device. Solution was to use OOB area which is
> >>>>>>> not covered by ECC for JFFS2 cleanmarkers.      
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ok, so there is not ECC parity bytes and mtd->read() returns ECC error.
> >>>>> does it have to use raw write/read on step 1) and 4)?
> >>>>>       
> >>>>
> >>>> If i'm using non raw access to OOB, for example write OOB (user bytes) in ECC mode, then
> >>>> steps 1) and 4) and 5) passes ok, but write to this page will be impossible (for example JFFS2
> >>>> writes to such pages later) - we can't update ECC codes properly without erasing whole page.
> >>>> Write operation will be done without problem, but read will trigger ECC errors due to broken
> >>>> ECC codes.
> >>>>
> >>>> In general problem that we discuss is that in current implementation data and OOB conflicts
> >>>> with each other by sharing same ECC codes, these ECC codes could be written only once (without
> >>>> erasing), while data and OOB has different callbacks to access and thus supposed to work
> >>>> separately.    
> >>>
> >>> The fact that there might be helpers just for writing OOB areas or just
> >>> in-band areas are optimizations. NAND pages are meant to be written a
> >>> single time, no matter what portion you write. In some cases, it is
> >>> possible to perform subpage writes if the chip supports it. Pages may
> >>> be split into several areas which cover a partial in-band area *and* a
> >>> partial OOB area. If you write into the in-band *or* out-of-band areas
> >>> of a given subpage, you *cannot* write the other part later without    
> >>
> >> Thanks for details! So in case of JFFS2 it looks like strange, that it tries
> >> to write page after writing clean markers to it before? In the old vendor's
> >> driver OOB write callback is suppressed by return 0 always and JFFS2 works
> >> correctly.  
> > 
> > Can you point the code you're mentioning? (both what JFFS2 which looks
> > strange to you and the old vendor hack)  
> 
> Here is version of the old vendor's driver:
> 
> https://github.com/kszaq/linux-amlogic/blob/master_new_amports/drivers/amlogic/nand/nand/aml_nand.c#L3260
> 
> In my version there is no BUG() there, but it is same driver for the same chip.
> 
> About JFFS2 - i didn't check its source code, but what I can see using printk(), is that it first
> tries to write cleanmarker using OOB write callback. Then later it tries to write to this page, so
> may be it is unexpected behaviour of JFFS2?

TBH I am not knowledgeable about JFFS2, maybe Richard can help here.

Are you sure you flash is recognized by JFFS2 as being a NAND device?
Did you enable CONFIG_JFFS2_FS_WRITEBUFFER correctly? Because
cleanmarker seem to be discarded when using a NAND device, and
recognizing the device as a NAND device requires the above option to be
set apparently.

Thanks,
Miquèl

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-02 12:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-12  6:16 [PATCH v1 0/5] refactoring and fix for Meson NAND Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12  6:16 ` [PATCH v1 1/5] mtd: rawnand: meson: fix NAND access for read/write Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12  9:37   ` Liang Yang
2023-04-12 10:24     ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12 12:03       ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12 13:30         ` Liang Yang
2023-04-13  5:10           ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-13  5:57             ` Liang Yang
2023-04-17  6:47               ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-17 13:54                 ` Liang Yang
2023-04-17 14:10                   ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-19 19:43                     ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-20 14:22                       ` Liang Yang
2023-04-21  5:57                         ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-26  7:53                           ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-26 12:17                       ` Liang Yang
2023-04-26 14:47                         ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-04  6:16                           ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-10 11:34                             ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-11 10:43                               ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12  6:16 ` [PATCH v1 2/5] mtd: rawnand: meson: replace GENMASK() macro with define Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12  7:37   ` Neil Armstrong
2023-04-12 10:06   ` David Laight
2023-04-12 10:11     ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12  6:16 ` [PATCH v1 3/5] mtd: rawnand: meson: check buffer length Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12  7:39   ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-12  6:16 ` [PATCH v1 4/5] mtd: rawnand: meson: clear OOB buffer before read Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12  7:44   ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-12  7:47     ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-12  9:20     ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12  9:36       ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-12 10:14         ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12 10:51           ` Liang Yang
2023-04-12 11:36             ` Liang Yang
2023-04-12 11:43               ` Dmitry Rokosov
2023-04-12 11:47                 ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12 12:28                 ` Liang Yang
2023-04-12 12:18           ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-12 12:22             ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12 12:57               ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-12 14:04                 ` Liang Yang
2023-04-12 14:32                   ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-13  5:32                     ` Liang Yang
2023-04-13  6:11                       ` Liang Yang
2023-04-13  7:00                         ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-13  8:22                           ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-13  9:36                             ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-13 10:22                               ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-13 10:35                                 ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-18  5:12                                   ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-18 12:24                                     ` Liang Yang
2023-04-18 12:44                                       ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-18 13:25                                         ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-18 14:57                                           ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-18 15:07                                             ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-19  3:05                                             ` Liang Yang
2023-04-19  6:41                                               ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-20  9:37                                                 ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-26 13:51                                                   ` Liang Yang
2023-04-26 14:46                                                     ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-02  9:59                                                       ` Miquel Raynal
2023-05-02 10:11                                                         ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-02 11:27                                                           ` Miquel Raynal
2023-05-02 11:32                                                             ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-02 12:17                                                               ` Miquel Raynal [this message]
2023-05-02 12:24                                                                 ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-02 13:05                                                                   ` Miquel Raynal
2023-05-02 16:13                                                                     ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-03  8:03                                                                       ` Miquel Raynal
2023-05-03 10:23                                                                         ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-04 11:37                                                                           ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-04 12:17                                                                             ` Miquel Raynal
2023-05-04 12:31                                                                               ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-05-03 19:48                                                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2023-05-04 11:40                                                                           ` Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-13  8:22                       ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-12 19:15                   ` Dmitry Rokosov
2023-04-12 20:56                     ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-13  9:27                       ` Dmitry Rokosov
2023-04-13 10:29                         ` Miquel Raynal
2023-04-13 14:03                           ` Dmitry Rokosov
2023-04-12  6:16 ` [PATCH v1 5/5] mtd: rawnand: meson: remove unneeded bitwise OR with zeroes Arseniy Krasnov
2023-04-12  7:45 ` [PATCH v1 0/5] refactoring and fix for Meson NAND Miquel Raynal

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