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From: "Artem B. Bityutskiy" <dedekind@yandex.ru>
To: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
Cc: "hinko.kocevar@cetrtapot.si" <hinko.kocevar@cetrtapot.si>,
	Linux MTD <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Great jffs2 speedup
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:21:21 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <433BC021.7090409@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050929101247.GD18741@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>

Jörn Engel wrote:
> On Thu, 29 September 2005 13:59:53 +0400, Artem B. Bityutskiy wrote:
>>>The first way stores a reference in the first (usable) erase block. (If
>>>it is not free, it moves the data to somewhere else, and reserve). It
>>>stores only a reference to it at umount, and a "mount-log" at mount
>>>(just to mark that it is invalid in case of unclean umount). It means
>>>one page write at mount, one page write at umount. If the erase block
>>>consist 16 pages than it is necesarry to erase the first erase block
>>>after every 8 mounts. So the typical timelife of it is about 8*100.000
>>>mounting, I think it is big enough.
>>
>>This spoils the overall wear-leveling, which is no good. But should work.
> 
> 
> Dummy argument.  Wear levelling is just a means to avoid the real
> problem - early wear-out of specific blocks.  Spending one erase block
> for cs is pretty sane, as long as this block doesn't wear-out well
> before the rest.
"As long as" is the essential part. If it is true - nice. In general 
this can't be true. And, anticipating your remark, I agree that it still 
may have its place. :-)

>>>The other way is to specify the cenratlized summary information with
>>>mount option (not to use the first erase block to store this pointer).
>>>In this case some other system have to store it (typically on an other
>>>file system), and the new location after umount can be read using sysfs.
>>
>>This also spoils wear-levelling...
> 
> 
> How?
The same way as above unless you evenly rotete the CS eraseblock. And if 
("as long as" == TRUE) then all is ok.

> CS definitely doesn't solve all problems and it trades the mount time
> for additional writes - plus the special first erase block.  Still, it
> may have its place.
Thanks, I have no doubts. :-)

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem B. Bityuckiy,
St.-Petersburg, Russia.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-29 10:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-28  9:36 Great jffs2 speedup hinko.kocevar
2005-09-28 10:00 ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-28 15:26   ` hinko.kocevar
2005-09-29  7:53     ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-30 12:26   ` hinko.kocevar
2005-09-29  8:21 ` Ferenc Havasi
2005-09-29  9:34   ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-29  9:44     ` Artem B. Bityutskiy
2005-09-29  9:52     ` Ferenc Havasi
2005-09-29  9:55       ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-29  9:59       ` Artem B. Bityutskiy
2005-09-29 10:12         ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-29 10:21           ` Artem B. Bityutskiy [this message]
2005-09-29 10:26             ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-29 11:34               ` Ferenc Havasi
2005-09-29 11:35                 ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-29 11:45                   ` Ferenc Havasi
2005-09-29 11:52                     ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-29 12:39                       ` Josh Boyer
2005-09-29 10:23         ` Ferenc Havasi
2005-09-29 10:29           ` Jörn Engel
2005-09-29 10:45           ` Artem B. Bityutskiy
2005-09-29 11:29             ` Ferenc Havasi
2005-09-29 11:32               ` Artem B. Bityutskiy
2005-09-29 16:10         ` Peter Grayson
2005-09-29 17:45           ` Sergei Sharonov
2005-09-30  4:19             ` Peter Grayson
2005-09-30  8:58               ` Artem B. Bityutskiy
2005-09-30  9:08                 ` Artem B. Bityutskiy
2005-09-30 20:25                 ` Peter Grayson
2005-10-01  7:01                   ` Artem B. Bityutskiy
2005-09-30 21:15               ` Sergei Sharonov
2005-09-30 23:22                 ` Peter Grayson
2005-10-01  7:43                   ` Artem B. Bityutskiy
2005-09-29 10:15   ` hinko.kocevar
2005-09-29 12:01     ` Ferenc Havasi
2005-09-29 13:07     ` Jörn Engel

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