From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from fe-relay04.albacom.net ([217.220.57.147]) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68 #1 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1IweVU-0008Ob-QB for linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:00:26 +0000 Message-ID: <474AD10E.4030005@eptar.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:58:38 +0100 From: Claudio Lanconelli MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricard Wanderlof Subject: Re: Some news for this: [PATCH] [MTD] BLOCK_RO: Readonly Block Device Layer Over MTD ? References: <20071121213257.GI20871@lazybastard.org> <305035a40711211433x9054a11r11636ad708a325cd@mail.gmail.com> <20071121225425.GA24327@lazybastard.org> <20071122132650.GA27525@lazybastard.org> <1195805904.3231.87.camel@sauron> <1195809712.3231.96.camel@sauron> <20071123184029.GA11033@old.davidb.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Brown , Linux mtd List-Id: Linux MTD discussion mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Ricard Wanderlof wrote: > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007, David Brown wrote: > > >> Flash should be reasonably immune to degradation from reads. In fact, >> it is fairly resiliant to degradation at all. >> > > I beg to differ; we ran some tests here on a 256 Mbit NAND flash where I > work which showed a marked degradation in read integrity if the block had > been written many times. For this particular chip in the setup used, after > 100 000 read/write cycles, non-correctable ECC errors started popping up > after about 43 million reads. For blocks that had only been written a > couple of times, we didn't detect any read errors whatsoever after 4.5e+10 > reads (during three months of continuous reading of the same block). > > I would however love to see some hard data, or at least an application > note, on the frequency of various errors. Most of the information I've > seen is of the 'it is a known fact that ...' - type, without any > references. And the data sheets seem very silent on this subject, only > acknowledging the fact that bit flips do occur. > Hi, I find very useful this paper, it talks about "read disturb" on page 22: http://www.edn.com/contents/images/ToshibaNANDFlash1.pdf Cheers, Claudio Lanconelli