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From: Huang Shijie <b32955@freescale.com>
To: Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, dedekind1@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 06/10] mtd: fix the wrong mtd->type for nand chip
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:59:24 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <521D9FCC.5010104@freescale.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <521D69B6.7070504@gmail.com>

于 2013年08月28日 11:08, Brian Norris 写道:
> Since we may see a v4 anyway, I'll make a comment here that I've been 
> mulling over.
>
> On 08/26/2013 02:36 AM, Huang Shijie wrote:
>> Current code sets the mtd->type with MTD_NANDFLASH for both
>> SLC and MLC. So the jffs2 may supports the MLC nand, but in actually,
>> the jffs2 should not support the MLC.
>>
>> This patch uses the nand_is_slc() to check the nand cell type,
>> and set the mtd->type with the right nand type.
>>
>> After this patch, the jffs2 only can support the SLC nand.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Huang Shijie <b32955@freescale.com>
>
> This patch doesn't note here that it is breaking the ABI: it is the 
> first (AFAIK; I don't think onenand ever actually had MLC, right?) 
> patch to cause an MTD to show up as MTD_MLCNANDFLASH (and "unknown" in 
> sysfs -- but you change this later to "mlc-nand"). This should be made 
> more clear, if we're going to do this. And you should document and 
> explain it *before* this patch.
okay.
>
> But more importantly, you don't really answer this question I have: 
> why we want to expose this MTD_MLCNANDFLASH type to user-space? It 
> seems you need this for internal drivers' usage and for JFFS2 (both 
> valid reasons). But exporting it to user-space just makes us work to 
> change mtd-utils (and any other scripts that might rely on these 
> types). Note that not everybody upgrades mtd-utils along with their 
> kernel.
>
After we change the code with this patch, the SLC still expose the 
'nand' to the user space, it's ok;
but the MLC will expose "unknown" as you said above. Some mtd-utils, 
such as mtd_debug will not work well any more.

If we do expose the MTD_MLCNANDFLASH to use space, the mtd-utils may can 
not work with MLC nand, some code only checks the
MTD_NANDFLASH. Please see the :
http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2013-August/048213.html


That's why we should expose the MTD_MLCNANDFLASH to the user-space

> One argument in favor of your change: so a user can programmatically 
> determine whether to use JFFS2 or UBIFS on a particular NAND. (But 
> then again, SLC are getting more and more MLC-like properties that 
> make them unsuitable for JFFS2...)
>
> So, I would recommend a few rearrangements of part of this series:
> (1) fixup the sysfs show() function and ABI documentation (in the same 
> patch) to cover "mlc-nand". *** must clearly explain the rationale for 
> userspace change (currently missing) ***
> (2) do any changes to JFFS2 based on the MLC type
> (3) allow nand_base.c to export MTD_MLCNANDFLASH
I will arrange the next version in this order.

thanks
Huang Shijie

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-28  6:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-26  9:36 [PATCH v3 00/10] About the SLC/MLC Huang Shijie
2013-08-26  9:36 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] mtd: nand: rename the cellinfo to bits_per_cell Huang Shijie
2013-08-27 17:10   ` Vikram Narayanan
2013-08-28  2:23     ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-28  2:42     ` Brian Norris
2013-08-28  2:45       ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-28  2:48         ` Brian Norris
2013-08-28  2:53           ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-28  3:02             ` Brian Norris
2013-08-28  3:09               ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-26  9:36 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] mtd: set the cell information for ONFI nand Huang Shijie
2013-08-26  9:36 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] mtd: print out the cell information for nand chip Huang Shijie
2013-08-26  9:36 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] mtd: gpmi: rewrite the gpmi_ecc_write_oob() to support the jffs2 Huang Shijie
2013-08-26  9:36 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] mtd: add more comment for MTD_NANDFLASH/MTD_MLCNANDFLASH Huang Shijie
2013-08-26  9:36 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] mtd: fix the wrong mtd->type for nand chip Huang Shijie
2013-08-28  3:08   ` Brian Norris
2013-08-28  6:59     ` Huang Shijie [this message]
2013-08-28  7:28       ` Brian Norris
2013-08-28  7:50         ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-28  9:26         ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-29  1:24         ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-29  5:05           ` Brian Norris
2013-08-29  5:34             ` Huang Shijie
2013-08-29  5:50               ` Huang Shijie
2013-09-04 18:51                 ` Brian Norris
     [not found]                   ` <52280278.6020007@freescale.com>
2013-09-17  0:13                     ` Brian Norris
2013-08-26  9:36 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] jffs2: do not support the MLC nand Huang Shijie
2013-08-26  9:36 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] mtd: add MTD_MLCNANDFLASH case for mtd_type_show() Huang Shijie
2013-08-26  9:36 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] mtd: add a helper to detect the nand type Huang Shijie
2013-09-17  0:27   ` Brian Norris
2013-08-26  9:36 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] mtd: mtd-abi: " Huang Shijie
2013-08-26 12:41 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] About the SLC/MLC Thomas Petazzoni
2013-08-27  3:30   ` Huang Shijie
2013-10-19 13:32     ` Ezequiel Garcia
2013-10-21  2:58       ` Huang Shijie
2013-10-22  5:11     ` Gupta, Pekon
2013-10-30 22:02       ` Brian Norris

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