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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>,
	Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org>,
	Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>,
	Michael Opdenacker <michael.opdenacker@free-electrons.com>,
	"linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org" <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	Ezequiel Garcia <ezequiel.garcia@free-electrons.com>,
	Piergiorgio Beruto <piergiorgio.beruto@gmail.com>,
	Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] ubi: Introduce block devices for UBI volumes
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 00:25:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52F6BCCD.5070302@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140208231501.GG22376@1wt.eu>

Am 09.02.2014 00:15, schrieb Willy Tarreau:
> On Sun, Feb 09, 2014 at 12:13:11AM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> Am 09.02.2014 00:01, schrieb Willy Tarreau:
>>> On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 11:56:02PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>>>> Am 08.02.2014 23:51, schrieb Willy Tarreau:
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 08, 2014 at 10:37:19PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>>>>>>> +config MTD_UBI_BLOCK_WRITE_SUPPORT
>>>>>>> +       bool "Enable write support (DANGEROUS)"
>>>>>>> +       default n
>>>>>>> +       depends on MTD_UBI_BLOCK
>>>>>>> +       select MTD_UBI_BLOCK_CACHED
>>>>>>> +       help
>>>>>>> +          This is a *very* dangerous feature. Using a regular block-oriented
>>>>>>> +          filesystem might impact heavily on a flash device wear.
>>>>>>> +          Use with extreme caution.
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> +          If in doubt, say "N".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really vote for dropping write support at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why ? When you put a read-only filesystem there such as squashfs, the
>>>>> only writes you'll have will be updates, and write support will be the
>>>>> only way to update the filesystem. So removing write support seriously
>>>>> impacts the usefulness of the feature itself.
>>>>
>>>> So almost everyone has to enable MTD_UBI_BLOCK_WRITE_SUPPORT?
>>>> I thought there is another way to fill the volume with data...
>>>
>>> I personally don't see the use of disabling write support on anything
>>> unless the code is broken. Better emit a warning upon first write to
>>> mention that there is limited or no wear leveling. But preventing all
>>> reasonable users from using a useful feature just to save a few ignorant
>>> from shooting themselves in the foot is non-sense in my opinion.
>>
>> As Piergiorgio wrote, one can use ubiupdatevol to update his squashfs.
>> There is simply no use case for MTD_UBI_BLOCK_WRITE_SUPPORT.
> 
> I gave an example with ext2 for the config. It's a bit excessive to
> quickly declare "there is simply no use case for $put_your_option_here",
> it just means that *you* don't have this use case, which I perfectly
> respect.

The mail with your ext2 use case arrived afterward I've sent that mail.

So you are using ext2 as config filesystem because you're facing issues with ubifs?

Thanks,
//richard

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-08 23:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-29 20:38 [PATCH 0/1] ubi: Introduce block devices for UBI volumes Ezequiel Garcia
2014-01-29 20:38 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Ezequiel Garcia
2014-01-31 17:06   ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-04 11:06     ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-08 16:50       ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-08 21:37   ` Richard Weinberger
2014-02-08 22:51     ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-08 22:56       ` Richard Weinberger
2014-02-08 23:01         ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-08 23:10           ` Piergiorgio Beruto
2014-02-08 23:13           ` Richard Weinberger
2014-02-08 23:15             ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-08 23:25               ` Richard Weinberger [this message]
2014-02-08 23:37                 ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-09  0:17                   ` Richard Weinberger
2014-02-09  7:51                     ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-10  2:48                       ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-10  7:35                         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2014-02-10  8:27                           ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-10  8:46                             ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-10 14:20                               ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-10 14:41                                 ` Richard Weinberger
2014-02-10 14:50                                 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2014-02-10 14:52                                   ` Bityutskiy, Artem
2014-02-10 16:15                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-10 14:53                                   ` Bityutskiy, Artem
2014-02-10 18:48                                   ` Ezequiel Garcia
     [not found]                                     ` <a86d653a-9e3b-46dc-9ec8-94a9c1099bec@email.android.com>
2014-02-10 21:43                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-11  8:37                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-02-11  9:05                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-11  9:35                                             ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-11  9:43                                           ` Peter Korsgaard
2014-02-11 10:21                                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-02-10 22:37                                     ` Thomas Petazzoni
     [not found]                                       ` <de976336-3144-4f21-859b-d1a37fc3d811@email.android.com>
2014-02-10 22:46                                         ` Thomas Petazzoni
     [not found]                                           ` <a3fc06a8-c809-4687-9da4-015bd8dd29e8@email.android.com>
2014-02-10 23:01                                             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-02-10 23:19                                           ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-10  8:50                             ` Artem Bityutskiy
2014-02-08 23:05         ` Piergiorgio Beruto
2014-02-08 23:13           ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-10  8:42       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-02-10  8:51         ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-10  1:29     ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-10  7:53       ` Richard Weinberger
2014-02-10  8:12         ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-10  8:24           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2014-02-10  8:37             ` Willy Tarreau
2014-02-10  8:50             ` Ezequiel Garcia
2014-02-09 22:56   ` Richard Weinberger
2014-02-10  2:36     ` Ezequiel Garcia

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