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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: dedekind1@gmail.com
Cc: Steve deRosier <derosier@gmail.com>,
	linux-mtd <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	Sheng Yong <shengyong1@huawei.com>,
	hujianyang <hujianyang@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] UBIFS recovery
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 18:43:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54D4FD5C.1040909@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1423244437.8637.587.camel@sauron.fi.intel.com>

Am 06.02.2015 um 18:40 schrieb Artem Bityutskiy:
> On Fri, 2015-02-06 at 18:33 +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>> Am 06.02.2015 um 18:26 schrieb Artem Bityutskiy:
>>> On Thu, 2015-02-05 at 07:08 -0800, Steve deRosier wrote:
>>>> I hear (and agree with) several valid arguments for a tool in
>>>> userspace. And I'd like to throw my support towards an in-driver
>>>> solution. Flash filesystems are different than on-disk filesystems, in
>>>> particular in their usecase: they're generally both critical and
>>>> exclusive to embedded systems. As such, the entire filesystem might be
>>>> on the corrupted UBIFS, so even if the filesystem is recoverable, if
>>>> we can't mount it and get at the userspace tool, then we're toast.
>>>> Often the kernel itself is stored in a separate read-only partition as
>>>> a blob directly on the flash, and thus the kernel itself would be
>>>> fine. The better UBI & UBIFS can recover to a usable state in-kernel,
>>>> the better off we are I think.
>>>
>>> Yes, being able to mount a corrupted FS R/O sounds like a good goal. We
>>> are not speaking of recovery here, just about mounting R/O and providing
>>> access to as much uncorrupted data as we can.
>>>
>>> If FS index is not corrupted, this sounds quite doable. If the index is
>>> corrupted, though, this requires full scan and index rebuild. Other wise
>>> we'd mount and show empty file-system.
>>
>> While I agree that mounting RO to get access to data is a feasible goal
>> I really think that this is the job of a debugfs.ubifs tool.
>> The kernel cannot ask questions, such a tool can.
> 
> The user-space tool would turn a corrupted FS into an uncorrupted FS.

This is what fsck.ubifs should to. I was talking about a debugfs.ubifs which
is able to extract files, ask questions, and tell the user what exactly is going
wrong. Like "yes, I can dump you file /foo/bar.dat but rage 5m to 10m maybe be corrupted and the xattrs are gone".

Thanks,
//richard

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-06 17:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-05  9:47 [RFC] UBIFS recovery hujianyang
2015-02-05 13:09 ` shengyong
2015-02-06 17:21   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-02-05 15:08 ` Steve deRosier
2015-02-05 23:36   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-02-09 12:08     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-02-06 17:26   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-02-06 17:33     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-02-06 17:40       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-02-06 17:43         ` Richard Weinberger [this message]
2015-02-09  3:00           ` hujianyang
2015-02-09  7:56             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-02-09  8:26               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-02-09 11:04                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-02-09 11:36                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-02-09 11:48                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-02-09  2:48       ` hujianyang
2015-02-09  3:09   ` hujianyang
2015-02-06 17:02 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-02-09  2:34   ` hujianyang
2015-02-09  7:51     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-02-09  7:57       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-02-09 10:38         ` hujianyang
2015-02-09 11:05           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-02-09 11:23             ` hujianyang
2015-02-09 11:18           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2015-02-09 12:02             ` hujianyang
2015-02-09 12:12           ` Ricard Wanderlof
2015-02-09 12:38             ` hujianyang

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