From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from a.ns.miles-group.at ([95.130.255.143] helo=radon.swed.at) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtps (Exim 4.80.1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1YW0MC-0002kw-1n for linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:28:49 +0000 Message-ID: <55016A43.3000201@nod.at> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 11:28:19 +0100 From: Richard Weinberger MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn)" Subject: Re: RFC: detect and manage power cut on MLC NAND References: <54FEDC42.2060407@dave-tech.it> <1426058414.1567.2.camel@sauron.fi.intel.com> <5500037A.9010509@nod.at> <1426064733.1567.6.camel@sauron.fi.intel.com> <55000637.1030702@nod.at> <550074D2.1070406@dave-tech.it> <0D23F1ECC880A74392D56535BCADD7354973D072@NTXBOIMBX03.micron.com> <55007B79.2090705@nod.at> <0D23F1ECC880A74392D56535BCADD7354973D2A1@NTXBOIMBX03.micron.com> In-Reply-To: <0D23F1ECC880A74392D56535BCADD7354973D2A1@NTXBOIMBX03.micron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Andrea Scian , Boris Brezillon , mtd_mailinglist , "dedekind1@gmail.com" List-Id: Linux MTD discussion mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Am 11.03.2015 um 22:16 schrieb Jeff Lauruhn (jlauruhn): > Glad to help out. I train FAE's and customers on many aspects of NAND including MLC. UBI (and UBIFS) was designed with SLC NAND in mind, so far we know that we have to address the following constraints when we want UBI on MLC NAND: 1. Avoid repeating bit patterns. This can be solved by scrambling. Boris did some great work in this area. 2. Paired pages. We'll have choose pages we write to very carefully to not loss already written data in case of a power cut. 3. Read disturb. Happens also on SLC but not that early. I'm working in this. 4. Data retention. i.e, blocks that have not been erased for a long time have to be re-erased. I'm working in this too. 5. Unstable bits (not MLC specific). 6. What did I miss? Jeff, what do you think? Can you point us to some hard facts? I'm specially interested in numbers on read disturb and data retention. Thanks, //richard