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From: nick <xerofoify@gmail.com>
To: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
Cc: linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dedekind1@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] UBI: Implement bitrot checking
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 23:36:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <552B39D8.6060308@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <552AE4E0.1010605@nod.at>



On 2015-04-12 05:34 PM, Richard Weinberger wrote:
>>> >> While I agree that consuming memory is not very nice I don't think that 125KiB
>>> >> is a big deal.
>> > 
>> > Hm, a few weeks ago, when I suggested to store information about PEBs in
>> > order to better choose the next block to be checked for bitrot, one of
>> > your argument to reject that approach was the memory consumption of
>> > such a design.
>> > In my case the only thing I needed was the following structure (one
>> > instance per PEB):
>> > 
>> > struct ubi_peb_statistics {
>> > 	struct list_head node;
>> > 	int pnum;
>> > 	int bitflips;
>> > 	int last_full_read; /* in seconds */
>> > 	int last_partial_write; /* in seconds */
>> > };
>> > 
>> > which is 24 bytes large.
>> > 
>> > I definitely understand the memory consumption argument, but that's not
>> > something you can change depending on who's proposing the solution :-).
> Yeah, but this structure remains in memory forever, right?
> In the bitrot case we allocate the memory only temporary.
> 
> That said, my arguments are not perfect nor irreversible,
> it can happen that I mess up or was simply wrong.
> Just beat me down with my own arguments when I deserve it.
> 
> Thanks,
> //richard
Richard and others,
This seems to be like the way we are handling page tables in the kernel. Further more due
to this if this is overall a good idea otherwise, I would recommend looking into the ratio
of storing the structure as a percent of overall memory on various systems to see if that
much memory is using storing the PEBs this way. Generally if it's over 2% of total memory
I would recommend finding a different solution, on the high end page structures take 1.5%
of overall memory on the high end for all systems I am currently aware of. Another area to
compare for doing something like is the driver core or slabs that need to be there for a 
useable system i.e. the one for task_structs and therefore are always in kernel memory.
Just a option for a MTD newcomer,
Nick

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-13  3:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-29 12:13 UBI: Bitrot checking Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 12:13 ` [PATCH 1/4] UBI: Introduce ubi_schedule_fm_work() Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 12:13 ` [PATCH 2/4] UBI: Introduce prepare_erase_work() Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 12:13 ` [PATCH 3/4] UBI: Introduce in_pq() Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 12:13 ` [PATCH 4/4] UBI: Implement bitrot checking Richard Weinberger
2015-04-02 17:34   ` Andrea Scian
2015-04-02 17:54     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-02 19:19       ` Andrea Scian
2015-04-08 10:34         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-08 21:02           ` Andrea Scian
2015-04-08 11:48   ` David Oberhollenzer
2015-04-12 14:12   ` Boris Brezillon
2015-04-12 16:09     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-12 16:43       ` Boris Brezillon
2015-04-12 16:55         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-12 20:42           ` [PATCH 4/4] UBI: Implement bitrot checking (linux-mtd Digest, Vol 145, Issue 24) Andrea Scian
2015-04-12 21:01             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-12 21:30               ` Boris Brezillon
2015-04-12 21:37                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-12 21:33               ` Andrea Scian
2015-04-12 21:42                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13 17:17                   ` linux-mtd digest emails (was Re: [PATCH 4/4] UBI: Implement bitrot checking) Brian Norris
2015-04-12 15:14   ` [PATCH 4/4] UBI: Implement bitrot checking Boris Brezillon
2015-04-12 16:14     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-12 16:31       ` Boris Brezillon
2015-04-12 16:32         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-12 17:01   ` Boris Brezillon
2015-04-12 17:09     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-12 19:20       ` Boris Brezillon
2015-04-12 19:53         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-12 21:24           ` Boris Brezillon
2015-04-12 21:34             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-13  3:36               ` nick [this message]
2015-04-12 17:36     ` Richard Weinberger
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