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From: Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>
To: Brian Norris <computersforpeace@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	"linux-spi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-spi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michal Suchanek <hramrach@gmail.com>,
	martin@sperl.org
Subject: Re: RfC: Handle SPI controller limitations like maximum message length
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:06:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFSsGVsJBi6yPin7X9MCS8LD6nygjynfgDgFicjojkm0rOJSJw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <564EC4E0.90602@gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Am 20.11.2015 um 01:02 schrieb Brian Norris:
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:19:29PM +0100, Heiner Kallweit wrote:
>>> There have been few discussions in the past about how to handle SPI controller
>>> limitations like max message length. However they don't seem to have resulted
>>> in accepted patches yet.
>>> I also stumbled across this topic because I own a device using Freescale's
>>> ESPI which has a 64K message size limitation.
>>>
>>> At least one agreed fact is that silently assembling chunks in protocol
>>> drivers is not the preferred approach.
>>
>> Hmm, are you referring to this sort of approach [1], where the
>> spi_message::acutal_length informs the spi_nor layer that the transfer
>> was truncated?
>>
>> [1] [PATCH v4 7/7] mtd: spi-nor: add read loop
>>     http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-mtd/2015-August/061062.html
>>
>>> Maybe a better approach would be to introduce a new member of spi_master
>>> dealing with controller limitations.
>>> My issue is just the message size limitation but most likely there are more
>>> and different limitations in other controllers.
>>>
>>> I'd introduce a struct spi_controller_restrictions and add a member to spi_master
>>> pointing to such a struct. Then a controller driver could do something like this:
>>>
>>> static const struct spi_controller_restrictions fsl_espi_restrictions = {
>>>      .max_msg_size   = 0xffff,
>>> };
>>>
>>> master->restrictions = &fsl_espi_restrictions;
>>
>> OK, so I think Mark suggested we not move to a 'restrictions' struct,
>> but otherwise it doesn't sound like he's opposed to this.
>>
> That's how I read his comments too.
>
>>> I also add an example how a protocol driver could use this extension.
>>> Appreciate any comment.
>>
>> One question I have: is it necessary to push the handling out into the
>> protocol driver? I feel like I've seen a partial answer to this: the
>> 'actual_legnth' return field suggests that the protocol driver already
>> has to deal with shorter-than-desired transfers.
>>
>> Then I have another one: is the 'actual_length' field really
>> insufficient? For instance, is it non-kosher for a spi_master to just
>> cutoff the message at (for instance) 64K, and expect the protocol
>> driver to handle that (e.g., with Michal's patch from [1])? And if that
>> is kosher, then is there a good reason for the protocol driver to know
>> the exact maximum for its spi_master?
>>
> It would be sufficient if it's a valid case that spi_master returns 0
> and an actual_length < requested_length as this is some kind of error
> situation.

I had one more look at the SPI core and e.g. spi_write_then_read
calls spi_sync w/o checking actual_length afterwards.
This can mean the discussed case is not valid, however it also could be
simply a bug.

If the discussed case is valid a clear hint to all users of spi_sync and
friends should be added that the caller can not rely on status code 0
only but must check actual_length to verify that the complete message
was transferred.

It would be good to hear Mark's opinion on this.

> I could also fully understand if spi_master doesn't return 0 but
> -EMSGSIZE in such a case.
> And the suggested patch would bail out of the chunk-assembling loop
> once it get's an error from the SPI transfer
> (after applying patch 2 of the series which introduces checking
> the return code of the spi_sync call in m25p80_read).
>
>> [snip example]
>>
>> Brian
>>
>

  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-20 10:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-18 21:19 RfC: Handle SPI controller limitations like maximum message length Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-18 21:57 ` Mark Brown
2015-11-18 22:50   ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-19 11:40     ` Mark Brown
2015-11-19 15:00       ` Martin Sperl
2015-11-19 17:15         ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20  0:07           ` Brian Norris
2015-11-20 11:06             ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 11:16               ` Martin Sperl
2015-11-20 10:18           ` Martin Sperl
2015-11-20 12:05             ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 12:56               ` Martin Sperl
2015-11-21 13:49                 ` Mark Brown
2015-11-21 14:10                   ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 15:57                     ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-21 22:59                       ` [PATCH 0/3] spi: mtd: Handle HW message length restrictions Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 23:01                       ` [PATCH 1/3] spi: core: add max_msg_size to spi_master Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-22 13:16                         ` Mark Brown
2015-11-22 16:15                           ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-23 11:38                             ` Mark Brown
2015-11-27 19:26                               ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-30 16:42                                 ` Mark Brown
2015-11-30 20:15                                   ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-21 23:08                       ` [PATCH 2/3] mtd: m25p80: handle HW message size restrictions Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-22 12:51                         ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-21 23:11                       ` [PATCH 3/3] spi: fsl-espi: make use of max_msg_size in spi_master to handle HW restrictions Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-30 20:24                       ` [PATCH v2 1/2] spi: core: add max_msg_size to spi_master Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-30 20:25                       ` [PATCH resubmit 2/2] spi: fsl-espi: make use of max_msg_size in spi_master to handle HW restrictions Heiner Kallweit
2015-12-01 14:19                         ` Mark Brown
2015-12-01 18:53                           ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-22 13:19                     ` RfC: Handle SPI controller limitations like maximum message length Mark Brown
2015-11-20  0:02 ` Brian Norris
2015-11-20  6:59   ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-20 10:06     ` Heiner Kallweit [this message]
2015-11-20 12:35       ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 18:59         ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-20 19:05           ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-20 19:21             ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 19:44               ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-20 23:22             ` Brian Norris
2015-11-21 22:53               ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-20 19:18           ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 19:37             ` Heiner Kallweit
2015-11-20 12:31   ` Mark Brown
2015-11-20 12:56 ` Michal Suchanek
2015-11-20 23:07   ` Brian Norris

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