From: Phillip Lougher <phillip@squashfs.org.uk>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>,
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Subject: Re: Compressed files & the page cache
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 23:37:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f4b9faf9-8efd-4396-b080-e712025825ab@squashfs.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aHa8ylTh0DGEQklt@casper.infradead.org>
On 15/07/2025 21:40, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> I've started looking at how the page cache can help filesystems handle
> compressed data better. Feedback would be appreciated! I'll probably
> say a few things which are obvious to anyone who knows how compressed
> files work, but I'm trying to be explicit about my assumptions.
>
> First, I believe that all filesystems work by compressing fixed-size
> plaintext into variable-sized compressed blocks. This would be a good
> point to stop reading and tell me about counterexamples.
For Squashfs Yes.
>
>>From what I've been reading in all your filesystems is that you want to
> allocate extra pages in the page cache in order to store the excess data
> retrieved along with the page that you're actually trying to read. That's
> because compressing in larger chunks leads to better compression.
>
Yes.
> There's some discrepancy between filesystems whether you need scratch
> space for decompression. Some filesystems read the compressed data into
> the pagecache and decompress in-place, while other filesystems read the
> compressed data into scratch pages and decompress into the page cache.
>
Squashfs uses scratch pages.
> There also seems to be some discrepancy between filesystems whether the
> decompression involves vmap() of all the memory allocated or whether the
> decompression routines can handle doing kmap_local() on individual pages.
>
Squashfs does both, and this depends on whether the decompression
algorithm implementation in the kernel is multi-shot or single-shot.
The zlib/xz/zstd decompressors are multi-shot, in that you can call them
multiply, giving them an extra input or output buffer when it runs out.
This means you can get them to output into a 4K page at a time, without
requiring the pages to be contiguous. kmap_local() can be called on each
page before passing it to the decompressor.
The lzo/lz4 decompressors are single-shot, they expect to be called once,
with a single contiguous input buffer containing the data to be
decompressed, and a single contiguous output buffer large enough to hold
all the uncompressed data.
> So, my proposal is that filesystems tell the page cache that their minimum
> folio size is the compression block size. That seems to be around 64k,
> so not an unreasonable minimum allocation size. That removes all the
> extra code in filesystems to allocate extra memory in the page cache.
> It means we don't attempt to track dirtiness at a sub-folio granularity
> (there's no point, we have to write back the entire compressed bock
> at once). We also get a single virtually contiguous block ... if you're
> willing to ditch HIGHMEM support. Or there's a proposal to introduce a
> vmap_file() which would give us a virtually contiguous chunk of memory
> (and could be trivially turned into a noop for the case of trying to
> vmap a single large folio).
>
The compression block size in Squashfs can be 4K to 1M in size.
Phillip
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-16 22:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-15 20:40 Compressed files & the page cache Matthew Wilcox
2025-07-15 21:22 ` Boris Burkov
2025-07-15 23:32 ` Gao Xiang
2025-07-16 0:28 ` Gao Xiang
2025-07-21 1:02 ` Barry Song
2025-07-21 3:14 ` Gao Xiang
2025-07-21 10:25 ` Jan Kara
2025-07-21 11:36 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-21 11:52 ` Gao Xiang
2025-07-22 3:54 ` Barry Song
2025-07-21 11:40 ` Gao Xiang
2025-07-21 0:43 ` Barry Song
2025-07-16 0:57 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-16 1:16 ` Gao Xiang
2025-07-16 4:54 ` Qu Wenruo
2025-07-16 5:40 ` Gao Xiang
2025-07-16 22:37 ` Phillip Lougher [this message]
2025-07-17 2:49 ` Eric Biggers
2025-07-17 3:18 ` Gao Xiang
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