From: ebiederman@lnxi.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Christopher Hoover" <ch@murgatroid.com>
Cc: 'Linux, MTD' <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 13/22] remove erase regions
Date: 21 Dec 2004 19:47:00 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m33bxzvyl7.fsf@maxwell.lnxi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041221210916.00C8CA00096@mail.murgatroid.com>
"Christopher Hoover" <ch@murgatroid.com> writes:
> >From Jörn Engel [mailto:joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de] -
> > On Tue, 21 December 2004 10:42:07 -0800, Christopher Hoover wrote:
> > > >From Jörn Engel -
> > > > I see absolutely no reason for complicated erase reagions. On the
> > > > user side, everyone but mtdchar effectively ignores it anyway.
> > >
> > > I don't grok this. What about flash with variable-sized
> > blocks? (I have a
> > > board with such flash and code that uses eraseregions.)
> >
> > Sure, from AMD or some other compatible manufacturer. The
> > variable-sized blocks were nice until there were better solutions to
> > the problem, like jffs2. Jffs2 exists, so they are largely useless.
jffs2 is only a solution on large NOR flash parts.
However I find this conversation confusing. The patches appear to affect
just mtdblock.c. Which sounds like it is exclusively the mtd block device.
At which point I don't see a problem with simply removing variable erase
size for the silly block device emulation code.
Now if someone wants to remove something silly the block device emulation
sounds like a fine place to start. Just to place the silliness on the
other foot.
> Intel C3 flash, too.
>
> > 5. mtdchar
>
> This is an important case.
>
> The reason embedded systems use flash with variable sized blocks is for (in
> the small blocks) parameter stores for bootloaders and applications.
>
> I've got several deployed systems that use this technique. I've seen at
> least one other.
> > 5 does, but is horribly ugly and noone cares enough to clean it up.
If it ain't broke don't fix it. Besides I have trouble seeing how 500 lines
of code can be horribly ugly.
> This is not a reason to toss it. We don't capriciously break user space
> interfaces in Linux.
>
> Also this:
>
> 6. The hook that unlocks locked-on-power-up flash, such as (*surprise*) C3
> flash. It needs to call unlock with the start address of each block. It
> needs eraseergions to do that.
If Christopher is reading this right I agree that killing variable
erase sizes across the board is a very bad idea.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-12-22 2:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-12-15 23:19 JFFS2 mount time Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-16 0:15 ` Josh Boyer
2004-12-16 1:02 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-16 12:53 ` Josh Boyer
2004-12-16 21:22 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-16 21:28 ` Josh Boyer
2004-12-16 21:47 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-17 12:54 ` Josh Boyer
2004-12-17 15:33 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-17 16:02 ` Josh Boyer
2004-12-17 16:46 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-17 17:08 ` Artem B. Bityuckiy
2004-12-17 17:10 ` Josh Boyer
2004-12-17 17:26 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-17 17:35 ` Josh Boyer
2004-12-17 18:09 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-17 19:14 ` jasmine
2004-12-17 20:55 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-18 16:02 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-20 16:34 ` Josh Boyer
2004-12-20 17:12 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-21 13:09 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:24 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-21 13:34 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-18 16:19 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-18 17:32 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-18 17:52 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-18 18:11 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-18 20:48 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-19 2:44 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:30 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:39 ` [PATCH 1/22] Add drivers/mtd/devices/blockmtd.c Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:41 ` [PATCH 2/22] Add copyrights Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:42 ` [PATCH 3/22] Remove read-only option Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:44 ` [PATCH 4/22] Change init/exit functions Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:45 ` [PATCH 5/22] Remove gcc warnings Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:47 ` [PATCH 6/22] Remove debug macros Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:48 ` [PATCH 7/22] Lindent Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:49 ` [PATCH 8/22] Remove sync interface Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:51 ` [PATCH 9/22] Change parameter interface to phram-style Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:53 ` [PATCH 10/22] Cleanup macro usage Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:54 ` [PATCH 11/22] kfree simplifications Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:55 ` [PATCH 12/22] change blockmtd_sync Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:57 ` [PATCH 13/22] remove erase regions Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 14:01 ` [PATCH 14/22] Change add_device Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 14:02 ` [PATCH 15/22] Rename unreadable mutex Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 14:03 ` [PATCH 16/22] list changes Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 14:04 ` [PATCH 17/22] Rename central struct Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 14:06 ` [PATCH 18/22] Function renaming Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 14:09 ` [PATCH 19/22] Fold various erase functions Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 14:10 ` [PATCH 20/22] Fold various write functions Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 14:11 ` [PATCH 21/22] Default erase size Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 14:13 ` [PATCH 22/22] Readahead Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 18:42 ` [PATCH 13/22] remove erase regions Christopher Hoover
2004-12-21 18:49 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 21:09 ` Christopher Hoover
2004-12-22 2:47 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2004-12-22 8:59 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-22 10:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-12-22 10:41 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:42 ` [PATCH 1/22] Add drivers/mtd/devices/blockmtd.c Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-21 14:15 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-21 13:40 ` JFFS2 mount time Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-21 15:00 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] ` <1103644945.10792.175.camel@squizzey.bult.co.uk>
2004-12-21 16:04 ` Jörn Engel
2004-12-16 13:43 ` Ferenc Havasi
2004-12-20 16:01 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-20 16:09 ` Ferenc Havasi
2004-12-20 16:39 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
2004-12-20 17:48 ` Gareth Bult (Encryptec)
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