From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric Bambach Subject: Re: pppoe * rp-pppoe * pppd????? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:20:11 -0600 Message-ID: <200511281420.11452.eric@cisu.net> References: <20051127200334.GA1427@lnx2.w8mch.ampr.org> <438B0490.5050506@gelm.net> <20051128161122.GA1398@lnx2.w8mch.ampr.org> Reply-To: eric@cisu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20051128161122.GA1398@lnx2.w8mch.ampr.org> Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-newbie-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: haltec@kvinet.com Cc: chuck gelm , linux-newbie@vger.kernel.org On Monday 28 November 2005 10:11 am, Hal MacArgle wrote: > On 11-28, chuck gelm wrote: > > Hal MacArgle wrote: > > >Greetings: I'm lost in a bewilderment of HOWTO's, Docs, FAQ's, etc > > >about PPPOE and ADSL Modems.. The more I read the worse it gets. > > > > > > > > >However, my one query for the list is: > > > > > >Using the Roaring Penguin PPPOE client, rp-pppoe; do I really need > > >PPP support too?? Or does that client include PPP support.. No suc= cess > > >yet I've got to eliminate some parameters.. > > > > > >Both are legitimate packages in Slackware 10-l and I'll go ahead a= nd > > >try all the different ways but could use some possible comments.. > > > > > >Cheers and TIA.. > > > > Hi, Hal: > > > > "...do I really need PPP support too??" > > > > Yes!! > > > > I use Slackware and I used Roaring Penguin for several years > > until one year ago (when I switched from aDSL to cable). I > > started with Earthlink (which had excellent support) and later > > switched to Ameritech/SBC/Yahoo (which had horrible support). > > > > It seems to me that you did not describe any problem and you > > asked a very specific question. I am unwilling to offer further > > information until you describe your setup. > > OK, thanks, bear with this old man.. And, thanks Eric for > your reaffirmation that ppp is needed along with pppoe.. But, does > rp-pppoe "include" ppp /or/ do I need to setup ppp separately?? > Slackware has a script 'pppsetup' that, first off, asks for a > telephone number, so that can't be used it seems... > > Anyway; Chuck here's the, more or less, details.. ( My rings > to Verizon's tech support, at least the one I got, knew nothing of > what I was talking about).. The more I read the more I find that the > ISP's are different as well as the modems, not to mention two > different encodings; CAP or DMT, neither compatible.. Did your ISP > use the same as ours; Verizon?? Who knows.. Verizon, a Baby Bell > Telco uses PPPOE, rather than several other options; all designed to > confuse even experts... (There was a listing on the Web pertaining to > this and Verizon, but it's either gone or down now.) Maybe Verizon > "locks" out anything but M$ access?? > > My neighbour bought the package, paying one year up front and > received a 'kit' with the modem & cables plus a setup CD and several > micro filters.. Apparently her username and password plus DNS stuff > has to be via the software; it's not printed anywhere... I fired up > her modem and the ready led blinked then stayed steady indicating the > modem has received the DSLAM signal from the CO, one block away, and, > IIRC, means the system is in "sync." > > I fired up her Gateway XP Home version machine and ran the > install CD that visually and verbally took me thru boo coo minutes of > really basic stuff about hooking up the microfilters, etc, etc.. It, > finally, got to the nitty gritty with the terse comment, "This may > take some time." After a half hour of watching a twirling ziggy I > turned the machine off.. Back to the drawing board... > > Since all M$ stuff intimidates me I thought I'd ring it out > with a Linux box, at her site, to see if, perhaps, her NIC card was > at fault: Slackware 10.1 w/ both the ppp and rp-pppoe packages > installed.. Modprobe ne io=3D0x300; NIC enabled and OK.. modprobe > pppoe, again OK.. ifconfig 10.0.0.1 eth0 mtu 1492, again OK.. > Invoking adsl-setup, I answered with a guessed username, no firewall, > making sure eth0 was there, and have to stop here because my notes > are confusing, except that, since I didn't really connect to the ISP; > I tried another, same brand but different model modem; one that had > been used before by another person 500 miles from here and was > working.. The difference between the modems is that one is marked > "bridge modem" and the other, in the kit, a "router modem." Don't > know if that tells anything much in this case.. Neither one > connected, not that I know what to expect from the ISP, which > happens, in this case, to be the same as the Telco, viz, Verizon.. > > Am I outliving my welcome?? I've got to keep better notes.. > > Is the above enough for futher comments?? I guess what I > basically need to know now is the relationship between rp-pppoe and > ppp with the above lashup.. I can't try what I'm used to: 'pppsetup' > that Slackware uses because you can't get by the first entry required > of the telephone number for dialup.. Does installing rp-pppoe take > care of installing the necessary ppp routines?? Or are both needed, > separately?? I'd love to chat further but I am amazingly busy. However, with my Eart= hlink=20 DSL connection the only thing required is to run adsl-setup then adsl-s= tart.=20 There is no configuring of ppp as that is all done by rp-pppoe. One thing strikes me as odd about your setup though. Why did you ifconf= ig=20 10.0.0.1 your NIC? The NIC used to connect to the ADSL modem doesn't ne= ed an=20 IP. Giving one wont hurt, but it may add to your confusion. The difference between a router modem and bridge modem can be huge. For= a=20 bridge, you will need rp-pppoe and you will get an IP from your ISP=20 45.231.xxx.xxx etc. etc.=20 =46or a router, your modem will receive an IP. After it connects you ru= n=20 dhclient or dhcpcd (dont use slackware) and you will get an address lik= e=20 192.168.0.100 with a gateway 192.168.0.1. In the latter setup you shoul= d NOT=20 use rp-pppoe. A router moded will need you to "log-in" to the modem and= set=20 up your username password there whereas with a bridge its handled by=20 rp-pppoe. HTH! > Appreciate! --=20 ---------------------------------------- --EB > All is fine except that I can reliably "oops" it simply by trying to = read > from /proc/apm (e.g. cat /proc/apm). > oops output and ksymoops-2.3.4 output is attached. > Is there anything else I can contribute? The latitude and longtitude of the bios writers current position, and a ballistic missile. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0--Alan Cox LKML-Decembe= r 08,2000=20 ---------------------------------------- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-newbie"= in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.linux-learn.org/faqs