From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
Kyle Moffett <kyle@moffetthome.net>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
linux-next@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
utrace-devel@redhat.com,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: linux-next: add utrace tree
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 06:47:29 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100123114729.GA7828@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100123112333.GA15455@elte.hu>
Hi -
mingo wrote:
> [...]
> > Now how do we get from here to a moderately portable API for interrogating,
> > controlling, and intercepting process state? Essentially it would need to
> > support all of the things that a powerful debugger would want to do,
> > including modifying registers and memory, substituting syscall return
> > values, etc. I believe that "utrace" is the kernel side of that API.
>
> The problem is, utrace does not do that really.
In fact, it is exactly designed for that.
> What utrace does is that it provides an opaque set of APIs for
> unspecified and out of tree _kernel_ modules (such as systemtap). It
> doesnt support any 'application' per se. It basically removes the
> kernel's freedom at shaping its own interaction with debug
> application.
This claim is hard to take any more seriously than emoting that the
blockio layer is "opaque" because device drivers "remove freedom" for
the kernel to "shape its interaction" with hardware. If you have any
*real evidence* about how any present user of utrace misuses that
capability, or interferes with the "kernel's freedom", show us please.
- FChE
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2010-01-20 0:12 ` linux-next: add utrace tree Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-20 5:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20 6:15 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-20 6:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20 6:40 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-20 10:43 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-20 6:59 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-20 13:24 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-20 7:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20 14:38 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-21 1:22 ` Roland McGrath
2010-01-22 0:17 ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-22 0:30 ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22 0:31 ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22 0:51 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 1:05 ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22 1:25 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 1:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 2:22 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 2:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 20:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-23 6:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 12:03 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 16:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-01-22 1:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 5:21 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-22 13:43 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-22 19:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 13:58 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-22 18:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 20:01 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 20:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-22 21:44 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 21:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 22:13 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 0:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23 6:20 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-23 11:01 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-23 11:51 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 15:57 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2010-01-23 11:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 11:47 ` Frank Ch. Eigler [this message]
2010-01-23 19:48 ` tytso
2010-01-24 18:01 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 1:42 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-25 4:55 ` tytso
2010-01-25 16:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:02 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:54 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-25 18:03 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-25 18:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 18:30 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-25 18:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-01-25 20:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-25 20:30 ` Mark Wielaard
2010-01-25 20:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 0:02 ` Renzo Davoli
2010-01-26 0:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 16:08 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2010-01-26 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 16:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-28 23:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-01-29 0:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 4:59 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-25 10:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-24 5:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-24 10:25 ` tytso
2010-01-24 13:20 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 21:05 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-25 21:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 14:21 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-26 23:20 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 6:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 8:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-28 1:52 ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-28 8:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 0:59 ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-29 7:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 7:52 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29 7:55 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29 9:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 9:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 9:31 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29 9:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 18:13 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-29 4:55 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29 7:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-30 17:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-30 17:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-02 6:47 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-27 10:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 10:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 11:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 16:01 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-27 11:05 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-27 11:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 11:20 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-02-08 10:09 ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-27 11:07 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-27 13:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-27 17:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 18:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-08 6:54 ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-08 9:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-08 9:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-27 19:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 0:38 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-26 15:00 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-26 17:33 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 18:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 21:02 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 21:53 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 22:03 ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 23:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 21:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 23:27 ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-23 8:05 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-01-22 17:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-20 8:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-20 13:01 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
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