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To: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo Cc: Lee Jones , Steven Rostedt , Breno Leitao , Mark Brown , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, Thierry Reding , linux-next@vger.kernel.org References: <1025da50-3e21-43c7-a761-4f65ed5e5069@sirena.org.uk> <20260812112723.643f9502@gandalf.local.home> <20260812155932.GV1072730@google.com> <5f25ba58-f62b-4cf0-bd82-682cc39c7b96@roeck-us.net> Content-Language: en-US From: Guenter Roeck Autocrypt: addr=linux@roeck-us.net; keydata= xsFNBE6H1WcBEACu6jIcw5kZ5dGeJ7E7B2uweQR/4FGxH10/H1O1+ApmcQ9i87XdZQiB9cpN RYHA7RCEK2dh6dDccykQk3bC90xXMPg+O3R+C/SkwcnUak1UZaeK/SwQbq/t0tkMzYDRxfJ7 nyFiKxUehbNF3r9qlJgPqONwX5vJy4/GvDHdddSCxV41P/ejsZ8PykxyJs98UWhF54tGRWFl 7i1xvaDB9lN5WTLRKSO7wICuLiSz5WZHXMkyF4d+/O5ll7yz/o/JxK5vO/sduYDIlFTvBZDh gzaEtNf5tQjsjG4io8E0Yq0ViobLkS2RTNZT8ICq/Jmvl0SpbHRvYwa2DhNsK0YjHFQBB0FX IdhdUEzNefcNcYvqigJpdICoP2e4yJSyflHFO4dr0OrdnGLe1Zi/8Xo/2+M1dSSEt196rXaC kwu2KgIgmkRBb3cp2vIBBIIowU8W3qC1+w+RdMUrZxKGWJ3juwcgveJlzMpMZNyM1jobSXZ0 VHGMNJ3MwXlrEFPXaYJgibcg6brM6wGfX/LBvc/haWw4yO24lT5eitm4UBdIy9pKkKmHHh7s jfZJkB5fWKVdoCv/omy6UyH6ykLOPFugl+hVL2Prf8xrXuZe1CMS7ID9Lc8FaL1ROIN/W8Vk BIsJMaWOhks//7d92Uf3EArDlDShwR2+D+AMon8NULuLBHiEUQARAQABzTJHdWVudGVyIFJv ZWNrIChMaW51eCBhY2NvdW50KSA8bGludXhAcm9lY2stdXMubmV0PsLBgQQTAQIAKwIbAwYL CQgHAwIGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4ACGQEFAmgrMyQFCSbODQkACgkQyx8mb86fmYGcWRAA oRwrk7V8fULqnGGpBIjp7pvR187Yzx+lhMGUHuM5H56TFEqeVwCMLWB2x1YRolYbY4MEFlQg VUFcfeW0OknSr1s6wtrtQm0gdkolM8OcCL9ptTHOg1mmXa4YpW8QJiL0AVtbpE9BroeWGl9v 2TGILPm9mVp+GmMQgkNeCS7Jonq5f5pDUGumAMguWzMFEg+Imt9wr2YA7aGen7KPSqJeQPpj onPKhu7O/KJKkuC50ylxizHzmGx+IUSmOZxN950pZUFvVZH9CwhAAl+NYUtcF5ry/uSYG2U7 DCvpzqOryJRemKN63qt1bjF6cltsXwxjKOw6CvdjJYA3n6xCWLuJ6yk6CAy1Ukh545NhgBAs rGGVkl6TUBi0ixL3EF3RWLa9IMDcHN32r7OBhw6vbul8HqyTFZWY2ksTvlTl+qG3zV6AJuzT WdXmbcKN+TdhO5XlxVlbZoCm7ViBj1+PvIFQZCnLAhqSd/DJlhaq8fFXx1dCUPgQDcD+wo65 qulV/NijfU8bzFfEPgYP/3LP+BSAyFs33y/mdP8kbMxSCjnLEhimQMrSSo/To1Gxp5C97fw5 3m1CaMILGKCmfI1B8iA8zd8ib7t1Rg0qCwcAnvsM36SkrID32GfFbv873bNskJCHAISK3Xkz qo7IYZmjk/IJGbsiGzxUhvicwkgKE9r7a1rOwU0ETofVZwEQALlLbQeBDTDbwQYrj0gbx3bq 7kpKABxN2MqeuqGr02DpS9883d/t7ontxasXoEz2GTioevvRmllJlPQERVxM8gQoNg22twF7 pB/zsrIjxkE9heE4wYfN1AyzT+AxgYN6f8hVQ7Nrc9XgZZe+8IkuW/Nf64KzNJXnSH4u6nJM J2+Dt274YoFcXR1nG76Q259mKwzbCukKbd6piL+VsT/qBrLhZe9Ivbjq5WMdkQKnP7gYKCAi pNVJC4enWfivZsYupMd9qn7Uv/oCZDYoBTdMSBUblaLMwlcjnPpOYK5rfHvC4opxl+P/Vzyz 6WC2TLkPtKvYvXmdsI6rnEI4Uucg0Au/Ulg7aqqKhzGPIbVaL+U0Wk82nz6hz+WP2ggTrY1w ZlPlRt8WM9w6WfLf2j+PuGklj37m+KvaOEfLsF1v464dSpy1tQVHhhp8LFTxh/6RWkRIR2uF I4v3Xu/k5D0LhaZHpQ4C+xKsQxpTGuYh2tnRaRL14YMW1dlI3HfeB2gj7Yc8XdHh9vkpPyuT nY/ZsFbnvBtiw7GchKKri2gDhRb2QNNDyBnQn5mRFw7CyuFclAksOdV/sdpQnYlYcRQWOUGY HhQ5eqTRZjm9z+qQe/T0HQpmiPTqQcIaG/edgKVTUjITfA7AJMKLQHgp04Vylb+G6jocnQQX JqvvP09whbqrABEBAAHCwWUEGAECAA8CGwwFAmgrMyQFCSbODQkACgkQyx8mb86fmYHlgg/9 H5JeDmB4jsreE9Bn621wZk7NMzxy9STxiVKSh8Mq4pb+IDu1RU2iLyetCY1TiJlcxnE362kj njrfAdqyPteHM+LU59NtEbGwrfcXdQoh4XdMuPA5ADetPLma3YiRa3VsVkLwpnR7ilgwQw6u dycEaOxQ7LUXCs0JaGVVP25Z2hMkHBwx6BlW6EZLNgzGI2rswSZ7SKcsBd1IRHVf0miwIFYy j/UEfAFNW+tbtKPNn3xZTLs3quQN7GdYLh+J0XxITpBZaFOpwEKV+VS36pSLnNl0T5wm0E/y scPJ0OVY7ly5Vm1nnoH4licaU5Y1nSkFR/j2douI5P7Cj687WuNMC6CcFd6j72kRfxklOqXw zvy+2NEcXyziiLXp84130yxAKXfluax9sZhhrhKT6VrD45S6N3HxJpXQ/RY/EX35neH2/F7B RgSloce2+zWfpELyS1qRkCUTt1tlGV2p+y2BPfXzrHn2vxvbhEn1QpQ6t+85FKN8YEhJEygJ F0WaMvQMNrk9UAUziVcUkLU52NS9SXqpVg8vgrO0JKx97IXFPcNh0DWsSj/0Y8HO/RDkGXYn FDMj7fZSPKyPQPmEHg+W/KzxSSfdgWIHF2QaQ0b2q1wOSec4Rti52ohmNSY+KNIW/zODhugJ np3900V20aS7eD9K8GTU0TGC1pyz6IVJwIE= In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/12/26 10:14, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 10:10:17AM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote: >> On 8/12/26 08:59, Lee Jones wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2026, Steven Rostedt wrote: >>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2026 04:42:21 -0700 >>>> Breno Leitao wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2026 at 05:54:59PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: >>>>> Would getting rid of these ephemeral commits make linux-next easier >>>>> to work with? > >>>> This has come up at the Maintainers Summit in the past. I believe it is >>>> even in the article I posted earlier in another thread. > >>>> https://lwn.net/Articles/1050027/ > >>>> We are even discussing issues about this in that other thread as well: > >>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/0a8c1e90-1de1-4a76-b0fa-e367a4bd4f55@sirena.org.uk/ > >>>> I try to keep my linux-next branch clean, but I do rebase to add tags. I do >>>> on occasion remove commits if they prove to be totally broken. That's rare >>>> but I rather have that then having to push something to Linus where a bunch >>>> of commits are simply reverted. > >>> +1 > >>> FWIW, I have always reserved the right to rebase in order to remove, >>> move around, reword and otherwise fix-up commits and do so often. To >>> that end my 'next' branches are not, have ever been, nor do I intend >>> them to ever be, stable. > >> Same here. > > I do it as a last resort, but its better to avoid having bug+fix things > hitting upstream, i.e. trying to help with upstream bisectability. > That, but mostly adding tags. Guenter