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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: linux-next: add utrace tree
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On Mon, 25 Jan 2010, Steven Rostedt wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 10:12 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> > But on the whole, I think it's actually worked out pretty well for them. I 
> > think the mainline kernel has improved in the process, but I also suspect 
> > that _their_ RT patches have also improved thanks to having to make the 
> > work more palatable to people like me who don't care all that deeply about 
> > their particular flavor of crazy.
> 
> Actually this is an understatement. Every feature (and I do mean
> _every_) that went from -rt into mainline, undertook 3 or more rewrites
> before it was acceptable for mainline. And every time, the end result
> made the -rt patch set better as a whole.
> 
> Not to mention, that a lot of the early stuff also cleaned up mainline.
> You can't have Real-Time without having a clean kernel. And as you
> stated, a lot of those patches to clean up the kernel, no one even knew
> that the real reason was to help the -rt patch set. They were well
> disguised Trojan horses.

Tsss. Never admit such things.

> Darn, it looks like you are onto our scheme.

Which scheme ? The only Trojan horses in the kernel tree are in
drivers/char/drivers/char/tty_io.c which put Linus himself into
Linux-0.98.2 :)

	tglx