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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
	 Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 24/24] nfs: add FAQ section to Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2024 15:03:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <115f7c93d81d080ce6aac64eaa4e8616a5fe0cdd.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240819181750.70570-25-snitzer@kernel.org>

On Mon, 2024-08-19 at 14:17 -0400, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>
> 
> Add a FAQ section to give answers to questions that have been raised
> during review of the localio feature.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>
> Co-developed-by: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
> Signed-off-by: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
> ---
>  Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst | 77 +++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 77 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst b/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst
> index d8bdab88f1db..acd8f3e5d87a 100644
> --- a/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst
> @@ -40,6 +40,83 @@ fio for 20 secs with 24 libaio threads, 128k directio reads, qd of 8,
>  - Without LOCALIO:
>    read: IOPS=12.0k, BW=1495MiB/s (1568MB/s)(29.2GiB/20015msec)
>  
> +FAQ
> +===
> +
> +1. What are the use cases for LOCALIO?
> +
> +   a. Workloads where the NFS client and server are on the same host
> +      realize improved IO performance. In particular, it is common when
> +      running containerised workloads for jobs to find themselves
> +      running on the same host as the knfsd server being used for
> +      storage.
> +
> +2. What are the requirements for LOCALIO?
> +
> +   a. Bypass use of the network RPC protocol as much as possible. This
> +      includes bypassing XDR and RPC for open, read, write and commit
> +      operations.
> +   b. Allow client and server to autonomously discover if they are
> +      running local to each other without making any assumptions about
> +      the local network topology.
> +   c. Support the use of containers by being compatible with relevant
> +      namespaces (e.g. network, user, mount).
> +   d. Support all versions of NFS. NFSv3 is of particular importance
> +      because it has wide enterprise usage and pNFS flexfiles makes use
> +      of it for the data path.
> +
> +3. Why doesn’t LOCALIO just compare IP addresses or hostnames when
> +   deciding if the NFS client and server are co-located on the same
> +   host?
> +
> +   Since one of the main use cases is containerised workloads, we cannot
> +   assume that IP addresses will be shared between the client and
> +   server. This sets up a requirement for a handshake protocol that
> +   needs to go over the same connection as the NFS traffic in order to
> +   identify that the client and the server really are running on the
> +   same host. The handshake uses a secret that is sent over the wire,
> +   and can be verified by both parties by comparing with a value stored
> +   in shared kernel memory if they are truly co-located.
> +
> +4. Does LOCALIO improve pNFS flexfiles?
> +
> +   Yes, LOCALIO complements pNFS flexfiles by allowing it to take
> +   advantage of NFS client and server locality.  Policy that initiates
> +   client IO as closely to the server where the data is stored naturally
> +   benefits from the data path optimization LOCALIO provides.
> +
> +5. Why not develop a new pNFS layout to enable LOCALIO?
> +
> +   A new pNFS layout could be developed, but doing so would put the
> +   onus on the server to somehow discover that the client is co-located
> +   when deciding to hand out the layout.
> +   There is value in a simpler approach (as provided by LOCALIO) that
> +   allows the NFS client to negotiate and leverage locality without
> +   requiring more elaborate modeling and discovery of such locality in a
> +   more centralized manner.
> +
> +6. Why is having the client perform a server-side file OPEN, without
> +   using RPC, beneficial?  Is the benefit pNFS specific?
> +
> +   Avoiding the use of XDR and RPC for file opens is beneficial to
> +   performance regardless of whether pNFS is used. However adding a
> +   requirement to go over the wire to do an open and/or close ends up
> +   negating any benefit of avoiding the wire for doing the I/O itself
> +   when we’re dealing with small files. There is no benefit to replacing
> +   the READ or WRITE with a new open and/or close operation that still
> +   needs to go over the wire.
> +
> +7. Why is LOCALIO only supported with UNIX Authentication (AUTH_UNIX)?
> +
> +   Strong authentication is usually tied to the connection itself. It
> +   works by establishing a context that is cached by the server, and
> +   that acts as the key for discovering the authorisation token, which
> +   can then be passed to rpc.mountd to complete the authentication
> +   process. On the other hand, in the case of AUTH_UNIX, the credential
> +   that was passed over the wire is used directly as the key in the
> +   upcall to rpc.mountd. This simplifies the authentication process, and
> +   so makes AUTH_UNIX easier to support.
> +
>  RPC
>  ===
>  

I'd just squash this into patch #19.

-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-21 19:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-19 18:17 [PATCH v12 00/24] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 01/24] nfs_common: factor out nfs_errtbl and nfs_stat_to_errno Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 02/24] nfs_common: factor out nfs4_errtbl and nfs4_stat_to_errno Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 03/24] nfs: factor out {encode,decode}_opaque_fixed to nfs_xdr.h Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 04/24] nfsd: factor out __fh_verify to allow NULL rqstp to be passed Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 05/24] nfsd: fix nfsfh tracepoints to properly handle NULL rqstp Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 17:46   ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-21 21:23     ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-22 15:07       ` Chuck Lever
2024-08-22 16:04         ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-22 17:07           ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-22 17:20             ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-22 18:14               ` Chuck Lever III
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 06/24] nfsd: add nfsd_file_acquire_local() Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 07/24] SUNRPC: remove call_allocate() BUG_ONs Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 08/24] SUNRPC: add rpcauth_map_clnt_to_svc_cred_local Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 09/24] nfs_common: add NFS LOCALIO auxiliary protocol enablement Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 18:04   ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-21 18:39   ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 10/24] nfsd: add localio support Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 11/24] nfsd: implement server support for NFS_LOCALIO_PROGRAM Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 12/24] SUNRPC: replace program list with program array Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 18:31   ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-21 20:40     ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 21:43       ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 13/24] nfs: pass struct file to nfs_init_pgio and nfs_init_commit Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 14/24] nfs: add localio support Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 15/24] nfs: enable localio for non-pNFS IO Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 16/24] pnfs/flexfiles: enable localio support Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 17/24] nfs/localio: use dedicated workqueues for filesystem read and write Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 18/24] nfs: implement client support for NFS_LOCALIO_PROGRAM Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 19/24] nfs: add Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 20/24] nfsd: use GC for nfsd_file returned by nfsd_file_acquire_local Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 18:34   ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 21/24] nfs_common: expose localio's required nfsd symbols to nfs client Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 22/24] nfs: push localio nfsd_file_put call out to client Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 18:50   ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 23/24] nfs: switch client to use nfsd_file for localio Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 24/24] nfs: add FAQ section to Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 19:03   ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2024-08-21 20:12     ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 20:14       ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 23:46         ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-19 18:29 ` [PATCH v12 00/24] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio Chuck Lever III
2024-08-19 18:43   ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 19:20 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-21 20:05   ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-22 12:35     ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-22  2:00   ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-22 12:50     ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-22 15:18     ` Chuck Lever III
2024-08-22 15:42       ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 19:56 ` Chuck Lever
2024-08-21 20:10   ` Mike Snitzer

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