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From: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
To: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
	Cedric Le Goater <clg-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:10:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1231290602.11487.42.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231288999.14345.231.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 16:43 -0800, Matt Helsley wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 19:20 -0500, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 16:08 -0800, Matt Helsley wrote:
> > > IMHO This seems more incorrect than trying to use a more proximal
> > > namespace.
> > 
> > You have yet to explain why.
> 
> It's "more proximal" -- it's closer to the container that we expect to
> cause (directly or otherwise) the bulk of the RPC calls for that mount.
> If the container does not wind up sharing that mount with other
> containers then the reported node name matches. If the container winds
> up sharing the mount with other containers then at least we can learn
> which container originated the mount.
> 
> I imagine an NFS administrator trying to determine the source of a bunch
> of RPC calls. If we just report the initial namespace then that
> administrator has to do lots more digging to determine which container
> sent the calls (assuming they aren't in different network namespaces).

As I said elsewhere, the network namespaces do not matter, since we
always create the sockets via the rpciod workqueue.

> By not always reporting the initial namespace we may give the
> administrator one way to narrow down the search. Even if the reported
> node name does not perfectly match the source of all RPC traffic related
> to the mount at least the administrator gets something more specific.

The administrator would have to be running wireshark or something in
order to track the rpc calls. That's hardly a convenient interface, or a
compelling reason to add namespace info into RPC credentials. We
certainly haven't added any other information to the RPC calls in order
to allow the administrator to identify which process it originated from.

  Trond

-- 
Trond Myklebust
Linux NFS client maintainer

NetApp
Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com
www.netapp.com

  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-07  1:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-06  1:13 [RFC][PATCH 0/4] utsns: RPC/NFS bug rework Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/4] Remove useless utsname.h includes Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 20:02   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 20:20     ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 21:53       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 23:35         ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 22:43       ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 20:44     ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]       ` <1231274682.20316.65.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 21:58         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 22:42           ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]             ` <1231281732.4173.6.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:08               ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:20                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                   ` <1231287619.11487.2.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:43                     ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  1:10                       ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2009-01-07  0:20                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07  0:23                   ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                     ` <1231287791.11487.4.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  3:44                       ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:04           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <m1eizg11fy.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:15               ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                 ` <1231283734.8041.6.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:32                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 23:35                     ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                       ` <1231284943.8041.8.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:48                         ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:51                         ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 23:53                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07  0:07                           ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:55                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07  0:20                           ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:20                         ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                           ` <1231287607.11487.0.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:26                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07  0:38                               ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                 ` <1231288706.11487.15.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  1:44                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07  1:50                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  2:37                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-06 23:30           ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:18         ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:43           ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]             ` <1231285417.8041.15.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:58               ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 22:29     ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-07  0:01       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/4] sunrpc: Improve UTS namespace workaround Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 16:02   ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-07  0:28     ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  3:02     ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/4] Represent RPC Callers Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 13:04   ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]     ` <1231247062.7127.36.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:05       ` Matt Helsley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-01-07  0:39 [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces trond.myklebust
     [not found] ` <ae2fa56f38f87da3a90ab6fe39954b2b.squirrel-2RFepEojUI3pn8CWWHJlTg@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:57   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  1:02     ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]       ` <1231290153.11487.34.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  1:22         ` Matt Helsley

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